Government u turn

[paulus 26]

On a good note about goverment U turn's..they have dropped the pasty tax..

i preffer stake bake

[Millet 4,497]

[Lab 10,979]

if something is causing a problem be that buzzard,badger or whatever, where there not an endangered species then culling should be allowed, where endangered species are concerned they should be allowed to be trapped and relocated

If it was an endangered species then they would not cause so much of a problem. We are talking about a bird here that is in abundance and can cause huge financial difficulties to the shooting industry. The shoot i pick up on 2 seasons ago ended up getting a pair of Sea Eagles move onto the place...yes they caused a nuisance and killed a few poults but the damage was managable and having the birds there wasn't too much of a problem. If however there was 10 pair the story would be very different.

I respect Ratreepers views that he has for BOP's but in all honesty until you have spent time with a keeper or done a small bit yourself you will never get to grips with picking up dead poults everyday with nothing you can do about it(legally).

Until the day the buzzard brings in more money into the economy then it will have to play 2nd fiddle to the game bird.............

[paulus 26]

if something is causing a problem be that buzzard,badger or whatever, where there not an endangered species then culling should be allowed, where endangered species are concerned they should be allowed to be trapped and relocated

If it was an endangered species then they would not cause so much of a problem. We are talking about a bird here that is in abundance and can cause huge financial difficulties to the shooting industry. The shoot i pick up on 2 seasons ago ended up getting a pair of Sea Eagles move onto the place...yes they caused a nuisance and killed a few poults but the damage was managable and having the birds there wasn't too much of a problem. If however there was 10 pair the story would be very different.

I respect Ratreepers views that he has for BOP's but in all honesty until you have spent time with a keeper or done a small bit yourself you will never get to grips with picking up dead poults everyday with nothing you can do about it(legally).

Until the day the buzzard brings in more money into the economy then it will have to play 2nd fiddle to the game bird.............

as i keep saying they need to come off the protected list the same as sparrowhawks, back in the 70`s when ddt wipped most of them out then protection was fine and has worked that well that they numbers are levels higher than ever before. name me any bop that has ever been taken off the protected list.

[Guest cookiemonsterandmerlin]

People are quoting a bit out of context now, but I have had a good think about this and I think I have come on too strong and not really got my point across very well. To answer cookie, I grew up in a hamlet that revolved around shoots and hunting with hounds and started hunting myself from about 12 on my own, moved onto ferreting and falconry by 14 and carried on. It is because I love birds of prey so much that I think I am making an exception here, but the only thing I base this exception on is that I don't think controlling buzzards is effective without wiping them out or thinning out to the numbers they were decades ago. I don't believe the buzzard population has exceeded what it was before they were persecuted, so I don't see them as a pest. I have obviously had a fair few run ins with keepers and apart from on here they were all pretty tolerant of buzzards and didn't see them as much of a threat. Yes some would admit taking the odd one out, but none wanted to thin them out at random. I fully understand that a particular bird that harassess poults in a pen is a problem, but the discussion is about reducing the population not single birds.

 

But you are just putting words in my mouth saying I don't realise the countryside is managed, the woodland blah blah blah read what I said because I stated it myself.

 

Thanks ratreeper for reply I am glad you grew up within a countryside situation which makes your assumption and conclusions even worst,you should know better.

Was you alive to witness the buzzard population before the protection law??to give a fair balanced view.

Also I dont belive yesteryears population, has too much to do with the today need for population control of buzzards as we as countryside persons have recongnized the need for population control of this great bird for economic reasons and for foodchain protection .

 

You have clearly not seen first hand a buzzard who has learnt to sit in trees along a feed ride swooping down day in day out killing birds .

 

Of course reducation of numbers by 50% will help as there will be 50% less mouths to feed .

 

For somebody who has clearly a connection with the countryside you like our goverment are out of step with the need to changes policies to suit our country.

 

I think you a bright lad with some good points but take from some of us with first hand dealing with pests we need to reduce buzzard /badgers /red kites and its nowt to do with us wanting to add more pest to our list for sporty fun we have enough on hands with other pests to add more to our list.

And the reason is we have this problem is we have had goverments who have been ear bent by powerful groups and not based on reports and figures that have been fund by the goverment .

 

ATB Cookie