Born Hunter 17,954 Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 As an example of this you just have to look at some of the cultures living away from 'modern society' they still have contact but its minimal due to the nature of their terrain. They never get sick, if they get sick it becomes very serious as theres a good chance of death! They are tough and hard because they are living a much more natural life than us lot. In there lives, sickness often equals death. Make alot of westerners live their lives and I dare say the survival rate would drop rapidly untill nature had weeded out the weak. Im not saying we should all pack up with medicine but your comment about the paradox of medicine not being natural so its bad is flawed, IMO. This is all just my opinion, im probably wrong... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 6,174 Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Good point B. A few years ago my husband and wife vet team went to some islands way out there some hot islands: don't ask me where exactly, but they were third world places. They went as part of a spay/castrate volunteer team to help reduce the enormous number of semi feral dogs and cats on the islands. What they did tell me was how all these animals had superb immune systems. None were ever vaccinated, obviously, and yes, some did succumb to various viruses etc, but very few, as the only ones to have survived over the years had handed on good immunity to their offspring, and so on down the generations: survival of the fittest and all that. The sort of diseases we live in fear of like Parvo, distemper etc. These animals lived by scrounging and the odd hand outs, proving once again that dogs don't need mega high protein diets to survive and produce young (not talking about working dogs here obviously, though growing a litter then bearing and rearing it do require a certain level of the correct nutrients) I'm even more convinced that a healthy, natural and varied diet goes a long way to boosting the immune system, as does continued contact with bacteria, though preferably not the really nasty ones LOL When a killer gastroenteritis bug went through my kennels one year, only a rescue pup which had already been damaged by a very high worm burden, and two other rescue pups whose maternal immunity had gone, died. It was too late to vaccinate them against anything by the time I realise what was happening: they'd already contracted the bug. All my own young dogs (though no pups)through to the very old, got the bug, but they all survived and most showed very few symptoms at all. This wasn't Parvo, but something similar. Same with humans, eat a biologically appropriate diet of fresh food and you are much more likely to fight off bugs etc than if you throw masses of highly processed garbage down your throat, along with the innumerable preservatives and additives that garbage needs to remain edible on supermarket shelves for god knows how long! I'll shut up and get back in my box now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Country Joe 1,411 Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 My Whippet Pup is now five Months, fed on Raw minced Meat and bone, with seaweed powder, and olive oil twice a week, i can honestly say, this pup has not had one loose stool in this time, and three a day, as regular as clockwork. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mac 30 Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 I love the idea that natural is good, bit like distemper is natural therefore we shouldn’t inoculated lol. . A ridiculous anology 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 I love the idea that natural is good, bit like distemper is natural therefore we shouldn’t inoculated lol. . A ridiculous anology Why? would you like to explain? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 Good point B. A few years ago my husband and wife vet team went to some islands way out there some hot islands: don't ask me where exactly, but they were third world places. They went as part of a spay/castrate volunteer team to help reduce the enormous number of semi feral dogs and cats on the islands. What they did tell me was how all these animals had superb immune systems. None were ever vaccinated, obviously, and yes, some did succumb to various viruses etc, but very few, as the only ones to have survived over the years had handed on good immunity to their offspring, and so on down the generations: survival of the fittest and all that. The sort of diseases we live in fear of like Parvo, distemper etc. These animals lived by scrounging and the odd hand outs, proving once again that dogs don't need mega high protein diets to survive and produce young (not talking about working dogs here obviously, though growing a litter then bearing and rearing it do require a certain level of the correct nutrients) I'm even more convinced that a healthy, natural and varied diet goes a long way to boosting the immune system, as does continued contact with bacteria, though preferably not the really nasty ones LOL When a killer gastroenteritis bug went through my kennels one year, only a rescue pup which had already been damaged by a very high worm burden, and two other rescue pups whose maternal immunity had gone, died. It was too late to vaccinate them against anything by the time I realise what was happening: they'd already contracted the bug. All my own young dogs (though no pups)through to the very old, got the bug, but they all survived and most showed very few symptoms at all. This wasn't Parvo, but something similar. Same with humans, eat a biologically appropriate diet of fresh food and you are much more likely to fight off bugs etc than if you throw masses of highly processed garbage down your throat, along with the innumerable preservatives and additives that garbage needs to remain edible on supermarket shelves for god knows how long! I'll shut up and get back in my box now But there is a difference between a healthy diet designed to meet the needs of a working lurcher and a natural diet. Healthy and natural are two completely different things as I’ve already pointed out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 6,174 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 Sandy: you are picking straws here. What we mean by the word 'natural' is, as you know, not processed or heat treated or stuffed with preservatives/artificial colours. Try and read round the vocabulary and see the meaning! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
riohog 5,939 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 Sandy: you are picking straws here. What we mean by the word 'natural' is, as you know, not processed or heat treated or stuffed with preservatives/artificial colours. Try and read round the vocabulary and see the meaning! lol must be organic barf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 6,174 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 :laugh: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mac 30 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 I love the idea that natural is good, bit like distemper is natural therefore we shouldn’t inoculated lol. . A ridiculous anology Why? would you like to explain? Not rising to your nit'picking. If your anyway near of average intelligence, you will know raw meat is a more natural source of food for dogs , period. I did read you say " you like to wind up the barfist's , says alot really. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bunnys 1,236 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 maybe off topic but very real in the uncivilised world as was in the 30s atb bunnys Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bunnys 1,236 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 top grub joe he his on the best ,veggies can have ther processed junk atb bunnys Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 intersting link http://www4.greyhound-data.com/knowledge.php?b=4¬e=408185 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mac 30 Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Interesting clip - Might not be the exact feed you feed, but still the exact principles , did i hear her say the feed was cooked at 149 oC for 25 minutes!!! (listen @ 2mins 4 secs into the clip) Im sure any nutrition processed at those temperatures is long gone! [media=''] [/media] Meat based feed every day of the week ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Attack Fell Terrier 864 Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 As an example of this you just have to look at some of the cultures living away from 'modern society' they still have contact but its minimal due to the nature of their terrain. They never get sick, if they get sick it becomes very serious as theres a good chance of death! They are tough and hard because they are living a much more natural life than us lot. In there lives, sickness often equals death. Make alot of westerners live their lives and I dare say the survival rate would drop rapidly untill nature had weeded out the weak. Im not saying we should all pack up with medicine but your comment about the paradox of medicine not being natural so its bad is flawed, IMO. This is all just my opinion, im probably wrong... I agree with you on an Animal basis, only the strong survive and that's how it should be, but on a human level it becomes a lot more complicated, because what makes someone strong? Hawkins certainly isn't an example of fine strapping man capable of bending a barrel full of horse shoes in one sitting is he lol, Yet his knowledge and brain power is invaluable to the human race. Strength comes in more than just a physical form when it comes to humans, that's why it's important that we have medicine and such like. I agree about the animals though . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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