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If people read what he wrote without getting uptight about it then they might see he is not on about every bull cross lurcher owner, or eveyone who wears real tree. But there certainly is the 'type' of person he describes at lurchers shows, just the same as there will be in all walks of life.

 

 

I also agree that manners and etiquette are diminishing. Little things like....I can remember when finalists in the lurcher/terrier ring would all shake the hand of the judge and each other, you hardly ever see that happen anymore. But they are diminishing in everything in life now, not just the hunting scene.

Magdon has put his point across (whether you agree with it or not) very eloquently, not once has he used foul language or been abusive. Just look at some of the remarks back.

 

You've a fair pont, Moll, but the OP was rather sweaping and dismissive, don't you think? A little more tollerance and thought wouldn't go amiss in the world. It may even help folks from different walks of life get on a bit better :thumbs:

 

Some of his posts, i can understand and agree with him, probably because i am looking at it with an unbiased eye, the things he say's do not effect or bother me so i do not get irritated by it. Even though i am a bull x owning camo wearer :D

Some of the things he say's are definitely to wind people up Andy :yes:

 

:laugh: I know what you mean, Moll. It's only the internet when all's said and done :thumbs::D

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What is it with some misrable basterds out there, see a young lad with trackie on there autamaticly a chav, and now if your a certain age and wear camo gear your still a chav. Pathetic!

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"Certain Type" who are you...the fecking queen? take the plums out your gobb and f**k off :wankerzo4:

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If people read what he wrote without getting uptight about it then they might see he is not on about every bull cross lurcher owner, or eveyone who wears real tree. But there certainly is the 'type' of person he describes at lurchers shows, just the same as there will be in all walks of life.

 

 

I also agree that manners and etiquette are diminishing. Little things like....I can remember when finalists in the lurcher/terrier ring would all shake the hand of the judge and each other, you hardly ever see that happen anymore. But they are diminishing in everything in life now, not just the hunting scene.

Magdon has put his point across (whether you agree with it or not) very eloquently, not once has he used foul language or been abusive. Just look at some of the remarks back.

 

Yep Moll, i'm with Andy, in that you have a fair point, but from your first paragraph.. It'd be a very dull world if we were all the same..

And your second.. I've judged two shows this year where this has happened and ain't it good to see.. :yes:

 

No, Mogadon has never been abusive, but then he has worded to be contrversial and provoking and, when it's only letters and words on here it can and is read differently by each reader, by the very nature of his initial first post, it is a complaint, not just an obsevation and that is why we are so many posts down the line... ;)

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Mainly his last post AT thumbs.gif

If people read what he wrote without getting uptight about it then they might see he is not on about every bull cross lurcher owner, or eveyone who wears real tree. But there certainly is the 'type' of person he describes at lurchers shows, just the same as there will be in all walks of life.

 

 

I also agree that manners and etiquette are diminishing. Little things like....I can remember when finalists in the lurcher/terrier ring would all shake the hand of the judge and each other, you hardly ever see that happen anymore. But they are diminishing in everything in life now, not just the hunting scene.

Magdon has put his point across (whether you agree with it or not) very eloquently, not once has he used foul language or been abusive. Just look at some of the remarks back.

 

You've a fair pont, Moll, but the OP was rather sweaping and dismissive, don't you think? A little more tollerance and thought wouldn't go amiss in the world. It may even help folks from different walks of life get on a bit better :thumbs:

 

Some of his posts, i can understand and agree with him, probably because i am looking at it with an unbiased eye, the things he say's do not effect or bother me so i do not get irritated by it. Even though i am a bull x owning camo wearer :D

Some of the things he say's are definitely to wind people up Andy :yes:

 

:laugh: I know what you mean, Moll. It's only the internet when all's said and done :thumbs::D

 

Exactly :D

 

Mainly his last post AT thumbs.gif

If people read what he wrote without getting uptight about it then they might see he is not on about every bull cross lurcher owner, or eveyone who wears real tree. But there certainly is the 'type' of person he describes at lurchers shows, just the same as there will be in all walks of life.

 

 

I also agree that manners and etiquette are diminishing. Little things like....I can remember when finalists in the lurcher/terrier ring would all shake the hand of the judge and each other, you hardly ever see that happen anymore. But they are diminishing in everything in life now, not just the hunting scene.

Magdon has put his point across (whether you agree with it or not) very eloquently, not once has he used foul language or been abusive. Just look at some of the remarks back.

 

Yep Moll, i'm with Andy, in that you have a fair point, but from your first paragraph.. It'd be a very dull world if we were all the same..

And your second.. I've judged two shows this year where this has happened and ain't it good to see.. :yes:

 

No, Mogadon has never been abusive, but then he has worded to be contrversial and provoking and, when it's only letters and words on here it can and is read differently by each reader, by the very nature of his initial first post, it is a complaint, not just an obsevation and that is why we are so many posts down the line... ;)

 

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Mainly his last post AT thumbs.gif

If people read what he wrote without getting uptight about it then they might see he is not on about every bull cross lurcher owner, or eveyone who wears real tree. But there certainly is the 'type' of person he describes at lurchers shows, just the same as there will be in all walks of life.

 

 

I also agree that manners and etiquette are diminishing. Little things like....I can remember when finalists in the lurcher/terrier ring would all shake the hand of the judge and each other, you hardly ever see that happen anymore. But they are diminishing in everything in life now, not just the hunting scene.

Magdon has put his point across (whether you agree with it or not) very eloquently, not once has he used foul language or been abusive. Just look at some of the remarks back.

 

You've a fair pont, Moll, but the OP was rather sweaping and dismissive, don't you think? A little more tollerance and thought wouldn't go amiss in the world. It may even help folks from different walks of life get on a bit better :thumbs:

 

Some of his posts, i can understand and agree with him, probably because i am looking at it with an unbiased eye, the things he say's do not effect or bother me so i do not get irritated by it. Even though i am a bull x owning camo wearer :D

Some of the things he say's are definitely to wind people up Andy :yes:

I think you fancy him moll :D

 

The only thing i ever fancy nowadays is a good cup of tea :D

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I think the point that Magdon is trying to make is that there are some folk who seem to think that by wearing this stuff they can be classified as "The hunting fraternity". It is not about snobbery or class, (which, by the way is always usedd as an argument by those who have none......remember an inverted snob is far worse!)but about the stereotypes who wear it. In general Magdon is right. Its a fact. A mere observation however won't change anything though and others will always think the same of those stereotypes. It is not just restricted to game fairs. Go to any rock festival. (Glastonbury is a good example....middle class families trying to fit in with hard core hippies and NATs. You can spot them a mile off. They might as well wear a T-Shirt saying "another thing I've done before I'm 50")

People will always be critical of others fashion and rightly so as it would be a boring world to live in otherwise.

Its just that the sterotype observed in this instance is recognised almost immediately as correct.

If the chav hunters (and they exist!)don't like it then they should do something to change their image.

Personally I couldn't care less.......It just makes me smile

 

Rgds the barclys

 

Swampy

 

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PS If I'm wearing "Camo" it is ALWAYS Kalvin Klein DPM (Dirty Pant Material)

 

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You're soooooooo correct. Especially in regards to the lack of class and reverse snobbery.

 

I realised before I made the OP that the Neanderthal types would never manage to grasp the basic concept. Those over shot brows and dragging appendages come with a heavy burden on the intellectual front.Perhaps that might help explain their propensity to wear

chavy-cammo everywhere they go. I'm astounded that we've achieved the level of gutter language responses that we have. I was expecting little more than simple grunting and chest beating. :D

 

Sorry, enough of the derisory mocking remarks. :icon_redface:

 

On the hunting fraternity front. Country sports are under enough pressure to have them all banned without the cammo wearing crowd parading around with their bullx's and minging terriers at any and every opportunity. Positive PR is hard enough to come by without having the general and largely uninformed public tarring us all with that particular brush.

 

On a slightly different subject but one that has been raised.

I like many of my fellow average joe, tweed wearing, country sportsman was at all 3 Countryside Alliance London Marches as well as the Parliament Square rally. Personally I didn't see a lot of chavy cammo, realtree, or dpm at any of them. Other than on the snivelling anti's that were brave enough to come and chant against us. I did see some terrifically accurate lobbing of half eaten yoghurts and fruit from our side of the barriers. :angel: What I also saw were genuine country sports men and women protesting their right to carry on hunting with hounds in the same manner their forefathers had.

 

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Magdon

 

Oh alas, poor Magdon, your making an 'ass' of yourself... :yes:

Your 'sooooooo' (did I get the correct ammount of 'ooo's?) starter, simply said it all to me, along with your shitty punctuation along with wording like 'terrifically', 'average joe', 'forefathers' etc, and me, from a lowley comprehensive.... :cry: You Sir, are a fake..!!! :yes:

Pm 'The B' all you want you helmet, but please don't come on here using 'our' Marches (oh, and by the way, you really didn't attend 'em all!!), 'our' Pride, to raise your status and generalise as to who we all are, of this you know nothing... Enjoy your lonesome little wind-up.

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Isn't the English language wonderful! It allows so many to make incorrect assumptions, draw the wrong conclusions and make utter pillocks of themselves as Bosun11 has amply demonstrated in his attempt at ridicule.

 

FYI yes I did attend them all. I think I still have the badges. :D Damned good fun they were to. Even managed to get ourselves into some of the press photos on the second march. Taken as we pasted the Ritz IIRC.

 

Whilst we're on the subject of grammar and spelling. I think you'll find that its amount and lowly comprehensive. :tongue2::bye:

grammar , spelling please forgive mine as my P'A useully takes care of such tasks , ah the ritz iam sure the dear twins would have not enjoyed the site of you and your followers trying to gain entry for tea and scones but then iam sure , you would be aware of the dress code, you seem to associate clothing with a persons back ground you can not have attended a lot of hunts or hunt balls were a great many of the poor souls must have got dressed in the dark , but thats another story lets go back to the real tree issue , and bullx and snotty :thumbs: kids wheeling prams , i take it you dont like the latter. bit snobby would you not say i am sure at the cla if you wish to make your self know we could meet up and confront any affending types for you to put you views across and hope you would not mind me recording it , feel free to pm me to arange it, end of the month dont forget :thumbs:

 

I have been out with and had the pleasure of attending quite a number of hunts and hunt balls and have always found those attending to be appropriately attired. Well at the start of the hunt or the ball at least. Perhaps we have just not attended the same ones.

 

I've never been a huge fan of the bullX & minging terrier owning, tatty headed partnered, snotty nosed kids parading, chav cammo wearing show and gamefair attending brigade. TBH I don't know anyone that is a fan. They are mostly objects of derision across the board of country sportsmen from what I can ascertain. Like I said positive PR for all country sports is hard enough to come by.

 

Snobbery has nothing to do with it. A good attitude, a respect for traditions, an appreciation of the occasion , and an understanding of what a spectacle they make of themselves certainly does. Unfortunately belligerence, low intellect and a contempt for those traditional country standards of good manners and friendly respect often goes hand in hand with the choose garb. Not always but to often to be ignored. We have been supplied with ample examples of just that on this thread.

 

Unfortunately we don't live in an ideal world where every man is judged on an individual basis. Whilst its true that manners do maketh the man. So do cloths and demeanour. You might be the best bloke in the crowd but dressing like a chav, talking like a chav and acting like a chav will see you judged as a chav. Call it destiny in your own hands.

 

Some of the truest countrymen I have had the pleasure of knowing and spending time with have been lurcher and terrier men, from both sides of the fence. Not one of them would be seen dead wearing chav cammo at a show or gamefair. Like I said its about having the right attitude etc.

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To Magdon,

 

Positive PR?

I am sure you can remember the reason for the hunting with dogs ban, it had nothing to do with lurcher or terrier men, camo chavs or not as the case may be.

The ban was lobbied by animal rights organisations (usually left wing activists) but implimented by class obsessed left wingers mainly of the Labour and Liberal Parties, as a way of getting one over on the toffs.

Of course it was utterly misguided as all types attend hunt meetings, but ignorance is there signature as we all know.

 

So if you are concerned about bad PR then you might as well give up because those against hunting will always hate you more than the average hairy arsed lurcher or terrier man.

 

The lurcher and terrier men have a lot to be angry about as they were dragged into a situation not even designed for them and they are effected the most by the ban.

 

Whilst I agree that some of the cross party voting, there were Tories who voted for the ban too, was based upon anti privilege ignorance. The largest percentage voted for the ban due to their abhorrence for all things hunting. Be that hunting with hound or be it coursing with longdogs or digging with terriers. Unfortunately for you many MP's viewed coursing and terrier work. Activities that none considered to be elitist or the preserve of the privileged few, with greater disgust than straight forward hunting.

 

Personally I don't consider their demise as being simply a matter of collateral damage from the AR's 60 year push to see fox hunting banned. They were and would have been had the vote not taken place equally as high on the AR's agenda, if not more so. Being even more a minority sporting activity regardless of their flat cap working class associations. Being firmly associated with poaching and badger baiting in the voting publics eye never helped the cause one iota. The fact that legitimate law abiding owners failed to disassociate themselves from the illegal"chav" elements, didn't address the need for quality, positive PR in the years leading up to the ban simply made the AR's task easier. Some would say that by failing to clean up your acts, effectively meant you sealed your own fate.

 

I appreciate that dealing with the intellectually challenged, the too dumb to see past their own inverted snobbery, inclined to belligerence minority, in a minority sport isn't the easiest thing in the world. Like the criminally inclined and the drug dependent elements of society, some people simply can't be helped.

 

All you can do is lock them up or put them out of their misery.

 

 

p.s. good to see that you decided to voluntarily edit out your last line of your post. Unfortunate that it had been quoted before you saw the stupidity of the remark.

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Moll

 

At least some people can see the larger picture.

 

Whilst I may have used a pretty broad brush at times to paint the scene. I believe that I'm not that far of the mark in regards my definitions and inclusions.

 

One thing I am certain of is the contempt and disdain that the afore mentioned certain types are held in by the majority of legitimate country sports men and women. Long may that continue.

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If people read what he wrote without getting uptight about it then they might see he is not on about every bull cross lurcher owner, or eveyone who wears real tree. But there certainly is the 'type' of person he describes at lurchers shows, just the same as there will be in all walks of life.

 

 

I also agree that manners and etiquette are diminishing. Little things like....I can remember when finalists in the lurcher/terrier ring would all shake the hand of the judge and each other, you hardly ever see that happen anymore. But they are diminishing in everything in life now, not just the hunting scene.

Magdon has put his point across (whether you agree with it or not) very eloquently, not once has he used foul language or been abusive. Just look at some of the remarks back.

 

Yep Moll, i'm with Andy, in that you have a fair point, but from your first paragraph.. It'd be a very dull world if we were all the same..

And your second.. I've judged two shows this year where this has happened and ain't it good to see.. :yes:

 

No, Mogadon has never been abusive, but then he has worded to be contrversial and provoking and, when it's only letters and words on here it can and is read differently by each reader, by the very nature of his initial first post, it is a complaint, not just an obsevation and that is why we are so many posts down the line... ;)

 

Why should a complaint not be lodged? When such occurrences and types reflect poorly upon country sports as a whole. What many who I have mentioned consistently forget is that respect is a two way street.

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I'll mark this down as one of the first times i have disagreed with you Moll........

 

Basically Magdon although obviously a clever person is a bit of a twat and enjoys using his intellect to put down others. By using these well educated long drawn out paragraphs and not being abusive or arguementative he likes to think he a class above everyone else...........well we all shit out the same hole so Magdon away and get into your Volvo and toodle pip, your tee off time is 9.13am, dont forget your pringle jersey for a baileys in the 19th............ :bye:

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I'll mark this down as one of the first times i have disagreed with you Moll........

 

Basically Magdon although obviously a clever person is a bit of a twat and enjoys using his intellect to put down others. By using these well educated long drawn out paragraphs and not being abusive or arguementative he likes to think he a class above everyone else...........well we all shit out the same hole so Magdon away and get into your Volvo and toodle pip, your tee off time is 9.13am, dont forget your pringle jersey for a baileys in the 19th............ :bye:

 

All to easy to fall back on the old standby of sarcasm when you can't keep up with the conversation ay!

 

For your benefit I'll try to keep the paragraphs short and the sentences even shorter. I can't guarantee not to use words with more than 3 syllables though. :wallbash:

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I'll mark this down as one of the first times i have disagreed with you Moll........

 

Basically Magdon although obviously a clever person is a bit of a twat and enjoys using his intellect to put down others. By using these well educated long drawn out paragraphs and not being abusive or arguementative he likes to think he a class above everyone else...........well we all shit out the same hole so Magdon away and get into your Volvo and toodle pip, your tee off time is 9.13am, dont forget your pringle jersey for a baileys in the 19th............ :bye:

 

All to easy to fall back on the old standby of sarcasm when you can't keep up with the conversation ay!

 

For your benefit I'll try to keep the paragraphs short and the sentences even shorter. I can't guarantee not to use words with more than 3 syllables though. :wallbash:

Oh a little glimer of the Magdon breaking here i think..........Dont tell me Rupert has pulled out the Foursome and thats ruined the festivities for today......... :thumbdown:

Thanks for keeping it simple for me.....i only managed a pitiful general level 3 in English.......Credit was my aim but i was to busy out living in the real world and working my ass off to get where i am today......toodle pip old boy.... :thumbs:

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Magdon,

The only thing I disagree about is your comments on illegal poaching and badger baiting, the ordinary person on the street would be only aware of the badger baiting because of the huge press behind it.

Most people would be ignorant of deer dogs and would see the romantic side of the poacher.

It was and always has been the antis spreading lies that has brought the end and the back hander to Labour, who wanted to appeal to all the PC townies and veggies.

Nowadays people are so soft, they talk about stopping cruelty and then bang on about the venison they had on Sunday in the pub. They like eating venision but don't agree with killing it.

This is todays logic, we have become a national of townies that have no concept of the real world.

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I'll mark this down as one of the first times i have disagreed with you Moll........

 

Basically Magdon although obviously a clever person is a bit of a twat and enjoys using his intellect to put down others. By using these well educated long drawn out paragraphs and not being abusive or arguementative he likes to think he a class above everyone else...........well we all shit out the same hole so Magdon away and get into your Volvo and toodle pip, your tee off time is 9.13am, dont forget your pringle jersey for a baileys in the 19th............ :bye:

 

Just for the sake of discussion Lab, mainly because behaviours fascinate me :D

If we (I use the term we for sake of keeping it simple for typing) were educated to the same level as Magdon, then surely we would not find his posts argumentative, we would simply see them as normal. We would not see him as thinking he is a class above anyone, just simply the same as you and I.

And are we all not as guilty as Magdon for putting different types of people down. Just look at the amount of posts on here deriding gay, coloured, overweight, chav types etc.

Could it be because he is well educated that gives people the hump more than what he is actually saying?

And if so does that not make us just as bad as the anti's and media who jumped on hunting with hounds because they found it elitist, and in turn just as bad as those who see bull cross, realtree wearers as chavs?

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I'll mark this down as one of the first times i have disagreed with you Moll........

 

Basically Magdon although obviously a clever person is a bit of a twat and enjoys using his intellect to put down others. By using these well educated long drawn out paragraphs and not being abusive or arguementative he likes to think he a class above everyone else...........well we all shit out the same hole so Magdon away and get into your Volvo and toodle pip, your tee off time is 9.13am, dont forget your pringle jersey for a baileys in the 19th............ :bye:

 

Just for the sake of discussion Lab, mainly because behaviours fascinate me :D

If we (I use the term we for sake of keeping it simple for typing) were educated to the same level as Magdon, then surely we would not find his posts argumentative, we would simply see them as normal. We would not see him as thinking he is a class above anyone, just simply the same as you and I.

And are we all not as guilty as Magdon for putting different types of people down. Just look at the amount of posts on here deriding gay, coloured, overweight, chav types etc.

Could it be because he is well educated that gives people the hump more than what he is actually saying?

And if so does that not make us just as bad as the anti's and media who jumped on hunting with hounds because they found it elitist, and in turn just as bad as those who see bull cross, realtree wearers as chavs?

 

Ditch is a classic example, clearly intelligent, yet he shat in a ditch , clearly had an education of some kind but theres nothing elitest about the bloke, magdon may well be the same , so i totally agree that intelligence & education have no baring on the lifestyle of the person

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You have raised another issue Kay :D

Just because someone comes across a certain way on a forum, does not mean they are actually like it in real life....but then again are they?? Does their true psyche come through when not faced to face with others, but then they hide it when they actually meet other people :hmm:

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You have raised another issue Kay :D

Just because someone comes across a certain way on a forum, does not mean they are actually like it in real life....but then again are they?? Does their true psyche come through when not faced to face with others, but then they hide it when they actually meet other people :hmm:

 

I have met a few folks off here over the years & to be honest they all were pretty much as i expected them to be , but you can be who you like on line, even several different personalities :laugh:

 

This is a decent read & kind of sums up things nicely

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_effect

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