Attack Fell Terrier 864 Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 I was just thinking about a few things, and one of them was how many of us on here have faith in our justice system - I'm not interested in hearing about anything to do with race or religion or what ever, I just want to know if any of you trust the justice system enough to the point where you'd stick to every rule that the law of the land demands of you. Actually personal experiences would help to get your point across. I only ask this because tonight I've been thinking about stuff, thing's about people that I know who have got away with crimes that they did commit yet they got off with them. And something else that I've been hauled up in court for that I got off with, fairly and justifiably. One lad I know was a 15 year old kid (same age as me at the time), and was caught walking out of an off licence with a crate of Lager. The Asian shop owner come running out too this lad to get the beer back that the lad didn't pay for. The kid knocked the shop owner out cold but then kicked his head into a curb until the Paki fella stopped moving. The shop owner didn't wake up for three weeks and has had problems since the incident happened. The lad was charged with section 18 wounding, affray and theft all thanks to some grassing piece of sh!t who he thought was his mate. This lad got off with it in the end because no one that made a statement came forward and because of a lack of evidence. The lad committed the crime he was charged with yet he got off with it. Another case was another lad I knew, took the law into his own hands after hearing that one of his good mates gaff had been burgled. This lad went and paid a visit to the junky that he knew had something to do with it and roughed this piece of shit up and threatened him with a knife to find out who was down to the burglary. The Junky ran crying to the police and had this lad nicked. The lad was put on remand but got off with it after friends of the defendant fire bombed the grassing Junkies dads works van. This lad also committed the crime he was charged with yet he got off with it. Then there's a case I had got into not so long back. A door man was acting a c*nt and picking on people, and he thought he could do the same to me, when I didn't fold like the other divs he had been pushing about this doorman offered me out for a fight around the side of the pub. When I went round the corner with him he tried to attack me, I hit him once to defend myself and dropped him like a sack of jacking dog sh!t, I knocked one of his teeth out and cracked two others. He then went screaming to the police that were on patrol, and got me nicked and charged with a section 47 assault. I spent months thinking I'd go to prison because of this, but after my first day at court it all got threw out because the judges seen that the door man was the instigator of the trouble and that he was the aggressor from the CCTV footage. The Judges seen that I was only defending myself and they threw the case out of court, even after the arresting officer tried to lie in court to stitch me up. In this case I think the justice system got it spot on and I've gpt no complaints. So with that in mind I was just thinking is the Justice system really fair? It was for me the last time I was up in court,I defended myself and wasn't sent to jail for it, but considering the first two cases where the lad was guilty of his crime yet got away with it, is the Justice system we have worth a wank? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SNAP SHOT 194 Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 There is no justice system in both ireland, england, scotland, wales, crims get the easy way out, and lifes too cusy inside, i say do the crime do the time... BUT the hard way... manual labour, cleaning ditches, not telly and playstations... and all that pish... Even when it comes to sentencing, the time does not match the crime... Snap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Attack Fell Terrier 864 Posted January 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 There is no justice system in both ireland, england, scotland, wales, crims get the easy way out, and lifes too cusy inside, i say do the crime do the time... BUT the hard way... manual labour, cleaning ditches, not telly and playstations... and all that pish... Even when it comes to sentencing, the time does not match the crime... Snap. Yeah, but the Justice system worked for me. I defended myself and the Judges got it spot on. Did you read what I posted mate? or did you just read the title of the thread? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Catcher 1 639 Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 I was just thinking about a few things, and one of them was how many of us on here have faith in our justice system - I'm not interested in hearing about anything to do with race or religion or what ever, I just want to know if any of you trust the justice system enough to the point where you'd stick to every rule that the law of the land demands of you. Actually personal experiences would help to get your point across. I only ask this because tonight I've been thinking about stuff, thing's about people that I know who have got away with crimes that they did commit yet they got off with them. And something else that I've been hauled up in court for that I got off with, fairly and justifiably. One lad I know was a 15 year old kid (same age as me at the time), and was caught walking out of an off licence with a crate of Lager. The Asian shop owner come running out too this lad to get the beer back that the lad didn't pay for. The kid knocked the shop owner out cold but then kicked his head into a curb until the Paki fella stopped moving. The shop owner didn't wake up for three weeks and has had problems since the incident happened. The lad was charged with section 18 wounding, affray and theft all thanks to some grassing piece of sh!t who he thought was his mate. This lad got off with it in the end because no one that made a statement came forward and because of a lack of evidence. The lad committed the crime he was charged with yet he got off with it. Another case was another lad I knew, took the law into his own hands after hearing that one of his good mates gaff had been burgled. This lad went and paid a visit to the junky that he knew had something to do with it and roughed this piece of shit up and threatened him with a knife to find out who was down to the burglary. The Junky ran crying to the police and had this lad nicked. The lad was put on remand but got off with it after friends of the defendant fire bombed the grassing Junkies dads works van. This lad also committed the crime he was charged with yet he got off with it. Then there's a case I had got into not so long back. A door man was acting a c*nt and picking on people, and he thought he could do the same to me, when I didn't fold like the other divs he had been pushing about this doorman offered me out for a fight around the side of the pub. When I went round the corner with him he tried to attack me, I hit him once to defend myself and dropped him like a sack of jacking dog sh!t, I knocked one of his teeth out and cracked two others. He then went screaming to the police that were on patrol, and got me nicked and charged with a section 47 assault. I spent months thinking I'd go to prison because of this, but after my first day at court it all got threw out because the judges seen that the door man was the instigator of the trouble and that he was the aggressor from the CCTV footage. The Judges seen that I was only defending myself and they threw the case out of court, even after the arresting officer tried to lie in court to stitch me up. In this case I think the justice system got it spot on and I've gpt no complaints. So with that in mind I was just thinking is the Justice system really fair? It was for me the last time I was up in court,I defended myself and wasn't sent to jail for it, but considering the first two cases where the lad was guilty of his crime yet got away with it, is the Justice system we have worth a wank? Justice system is at an all time low.Now PC and all the red tape in the system f**k,s justice up Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SNAP SHOT 194 Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 just read a little mate, and its not all sinking in, sorry got a busting migraine.... maybe i shouldn't be trollong through the forum....lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mexlad 189 Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 but a different judge on a different day could have been a guilty mate, it shouldnt like but it could. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 sometimes they get it right,other times there so far off the mark its mind boggling.i guess a lot depends on the particular judge,and how clued up he is,and living in the real world.not this bubble that they only see thier own wee rose tinted world.also another factor is the jury that is selected on whichever case they are asked to hear.i know judges and the law in general have to work within certain guide lines set by the goverment in most cases.me personally the judicial system in this country is long overdue for a radical shake up. anytime i have been in the dock i would have to admit except in one case i was treated fairly and took it like a big laddie.flip side to that i have witnessed blatant lies being told by coppers just to be nasty.thankfully prosecuters and judges of today are well aware that police and fiscals (or in england cps) can and do tell lies to get a conviction. last point anyone having a square go in a carpark or wherever and gets beat.then goes running to the cops,in my book is no man,and just a cowardly silly wee boy,and shouldnt go out or challenge people to fights if they cant handle comming second best!a big no no going to the cops. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigdog Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 legal systems a joke imo, you could rob a bank with a replica gun, thats robbin insured money with a gun that can only do harm if you throw it and get 10 years for armed robbery. the same week you could have the same judge, and a pedo who raped and abused a couple of children, and he would only get a suspended, or at the most community service. madness. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,960 Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Just imagine had the camera not been there. It would have been a very different outcome for you. So basically im saying the justice system is shite. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,217 Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Did you not read the small print? It's a 'legal' system or 'legal justice' system, not a 'justice' system. It uphold the 'law' not 'justice' Hence why it's so f****d up to anyone sensible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RicW 67 Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 The first guy, the one who kicked the shop owners head in? Should have been banged up for 10. Clip the guy maybe, but lay into him? When he's down anyway? What a fucken hero. The guy who had a go at the junky? 'Kin A. Been there, done that. Got the scars to prove it. Your case? Should never have gone to court. My day, the lads out the back were left to get on with it unless some silly born bastrad pulled a shiv. Seems to me that there is a real problem because the standards vary all over the gaff. Isn't "British Justice" supposed to apply equally to all? Ho-Ho. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Attack Fell Terrier 864 Posted January 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Just imagine had the camera not been there. It would have been a very different outcome for you. So basically im saying the justice system is shite. The police looked at the CCTV and said that it didn't show anything of worth. I demanded that they give us a copy of the footage which they tried to withhold. We only received the footage on the morning I was in court, and low and behold it showed the bloke pointing his finger at me, ripping his jacket off and as he come towards me I hit him once and stood back from him. The arresting officer was trying all he could even telling lies in court to get me slammed, but my solicitor diced him up lovely. I've been advised to put a complaint in about the officer who handled the case. He lied and tried hold evidence back that was vital. I'm not sure whether I've left it too long to put the complaint in though? Ideation, I didn't know that, cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mangy1983 51 Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 There is no justice system in both ireland, england, scotland, wales, crims get the easy way out, and lifes too cusy inside, i say do the crime do the time... BUT the hard way... manual labour, cleaning ditches, not telly and playstations... and all that pish... Even when it comes to sentencing, the time does not match the crime... Snap. I've actually heard quite a few people now refer to prisons as Hilton's as in the hotel chains in that their so comfortable nowadays... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GetOnitSkinDown 5 Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 someone round my end, only 15, knocked an old bloke into the road, and this poor old man got his head crushed, all because he wouldn't give this lad a fag. It was his daughter's wedding the next day. This lad, was sentenced to 2 years in a detention centre, he did 1 year 6 months, and now he's back out, living round here. - the justice system is completely and utterly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
andyfr1968 772 Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 This isn't criminal justice but it's an example of how inconsistant the courts can be..... Years back me and my then girlfriend were riding back to Leeds along the M1, she was folowing me on her own bike. The traffic was light and we were in a hurry to get back. To cut a long story short, we both got cought for speeding and were both done for the same speed, 106mph. I was seen by Wetherby magistates and was banned for 14 days, 3 points and £120 fine. She was seen by the wigs in Leeds and was banned for 3 months, 6 points and a £600!!!!! fine for exactly the same offence. There but for the grace of god and all that.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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