5 Nations Terrier Show (Ireiand)

[AlbertJ 569]

I like most am sick of this my show is better than your show rubbish,i am new to all this web stuff but by nomeans to the field.ive ran and dug dogs for twenty years although i dont dig like i used to.i dont want to be famous but you talk of winning.ive showed my dogs and won both sides of the border and the water and ive also judged at show and gamefair.some people will know me but most people wont but im happy with that.

ive been to all irish fairs they all have there faults albert but why you feel the need to pick out another shows is beyond me when your own is far from perfect

before you spout your usual give me facts speech

1,you are the most expensive fair by far

2,you talk of prize funds and trophies ,ive been at local shows with better trophies that charge £2 PER CLASS

3,judges,how many shows have the antrim club actually got a judge that wasnt in their club

4,members of the above club,fair play to them for the job they do but they think they are the beall and endall of terriers and lurchers,i have stood round a ring and listened to them slaughter another clubs show which as they were not there really speaks volumes on their attitudes towards other hunting folk

5,you talk about numbers of foxes killed,you are missing the point the lads are making.shooting isnt an issue its the digs they were talkin about,the good old days doesnt cut it im afraid because even then they were their own biggest fans

6,your very hard on ballinlough in your posts,lets look for a moment and remember that it is only 2 year old and a new venue and as i was there i feel i can comment as i paid in.it wasnt as big as shanes but it was very well laid out and run by the lads that did it i dont know them but fair play

 

anyhow that is me getting of my soap box now. this is not a personal attack on anyone but it is just the opinion of someone who pays in through the gate

i have opinions on moira and ballinlough also but they arent on here shouting so i reserve them for another day i would leave you with a roman warning albert beware the mob for they are fickle yours in sport kegs

 

judges,how many shows have the antrim club actually got a judge that wasnt in their club

 

The club have been running shows for 28 years and few if any of the shows have been judged by club members.

 

I responded to Neil Cooney who attacked our organisers and our fairs and make no apology for doing so. He described our organisers as a joke and I responded in like vein about Ballinlough which he judged.

 

I didn't make the claim that Ballinlough had 180 stands I queried it. The organisers claimed it had grown - from my reports it had gone back massively in crowds. I certainly reserve the right to object to hype from other event organisers who claim primacy with their shows. We too claim primacy but have the objective assessments to prove it. I make no apology for speaking the truth and stating FACTS.

 

Also it is a FACT that no terrier & lurcher show in Ireland will have better trophies or prizes than Birr.

 

 

As a marketing professional I know what our customers want through research and that is why our events grow in terms of crowds, quality of stands, competitions/competitors, prize funds, prestige and publicity.

 

The terrier and lurcher crowd are just a very small part of the attendance at our shows (c 3-4%) but I have to admit that I had not given them the attention they deserved as competitors compared to my interests in shooting and gundogs. Tom, a friend, was on this forum and was defending us against attacks but I like to fight my own battles plus I thought I could learn something about what the terrier and lurcher folk actually wanted.

 

I have learned more from people who have contacted me off the forum - possibly because these people do not want to be attacked publicly on it. As I have said I have met the commitments I have made on this forum to the genine terrier and lurcher people who support all of the shows and I will not stand by and have inaccurate sniping about our event organisers or our fairs from people who haven't even been at them.

 

I am confident enough in my own marketing ability and that of our team,with the support of the main countrysports bodies, to continue to organise and deliver the biggest and best game and country fairs in Ireland that I can choose to ignore your 'Roman warning'.

 

We do of course welcome fact based constructive criticism and as you will have seen we have acted on as great deal of the suggestions that have come from this forum and through it.

 

Thanks for your input,

 

Albertj

[fionn 21]

as you keep refering to working dogs dessie won every show in england with a good working dog a lakeland called tyke or turk i think .THE BEST GAME AND BIGEST WAS ADARE MANOR flushing foxes is not what id call terrier work as a hound or springer will do the same thing you say samus accounted for more foxes in ireland.WHEN THEY WERE A BOUNTY ON FOXES I KNOW 3 LADS THAT WOULD SLEEP ALL DAY AND SHOOT FOXES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AT NIGHT FOR A LIVING THEY HAD A HOLE CUT IN THE ROOF OF A VAN THEY LAMPED OUT OF THAT THEY OFTEN PUT 200 MILES A NIGHT ON VAN OFTEN GETTING 150 TO 200 A WEEK NOWS THATS FACT.point im trying to make is how can you come on here and say shamus accounted for more foxes than anyone else i know some lads not to far from shamus and they dig a hundred plus foxes a season this SHIT ABOUT MY SHOW IS BIGGER AND BETTER THAN YER SHOW A LOAD O BOLLOCKS THE TERRIER JUDGING SO FAR IN BIRR HAS BEEN A SHAM I BEGINNING TO THINK ALBERT UR ON THE WRONG FORUM THE FIRST THING WILL BE THE 5 EURO ENTRANCE A DOG ITS BEEN 3 EURO EVERY OTHER SHOW THIS YEAR HERES ANOTHER NAME FOR YA T MCGLOGHN FROM THE SHOW SEEN WON A LOT OF SHOW. BALLINLOUGH PRIZES FOR TERRIERS AND LUCHERS WERE TOP CLASS BOTH WORTH 750 EUROS EACH P.S SHAMUS WONT BE TELLING DESSIE WHAT TO PICK BECAUSE DESSIE HAS FORGOTTEN MORE ABOUT SHOW TERRIER THAN SHAMUS EVER WILL

 

 

Fionn,

 

What a diatribe and what a lot of inaccurate allegations you make because I defended our shows and the club who organise our terrier & lurcher events and had the temerity to criticise Mr Coonney.

 

Some FACTS:

 

1. Adare - We were twinned with Adare which was a good little one day show in a lovely venue that attracted about 6-10,000 people compared to well over 30,000 at Shanes this year. Ask anyone who was at Shanes this year or look for yourself at the www.fieldsports.tv programme this year or the wwww.countrysportschannel.tv last year. Adare had virtually no UK stands and virtually no gun or tackle stands - ALL fairs have moved on since then with the exception of Ballinlough. The late Lord Harrington who organised Adare and I jointly chaired a group that developed links and competitions between it and the early shows at Shanes but both groups recognised Shanes was the larger Fair and since then we have grown both attendance and stands.

Once again like your friend Cooney you make allegations which are inaccurate and based on a total lack of knowledge as I attended Adare every year whereas when was the last time you attended Shanes if ever? So the comparison you make is NOT based on FACT.

 

2. You put yourself forward as an expert on terriers and judging - what have your dogs won? what have you bred? Where have you judged? I don't claim to be an expert on terriers but I have had dogs for 50 years and instead of whingeing about how unfair judges are to working dogs, I competed and won at the highest level in Irish and UK dog shows with real working gundogs. No not just dogs I claimed worked but working dogs that won awards in working tests and gundog trials against the best in Ireland. My Ruadth prefix is respected throughout the gundog world. And I don't think even you could claim that it is easier to train a working gundog than a working terrier.

 

3. You have never worked with Seamus but yet you make allegations about how he works his terriers. Have you ever seen him dig - he is one of the best guys with a spade/shovel I have ever seen. Although he now has many other fieldsports interests including picking up with very well trained gundogs he is still in much demand all over NI for fox control and kills more foxes than most of the people who trumpet about their working dogs. I think you should talk to some of the guys you know who remember when the bounty was on in the late 70's how active Seamus was. You should also ask the guy YOU recommended to judge the Five Nations about hunting with Seamus and Gary Middleton. Also have a look at Seamus's van when you are in Birr.

 

4 I challenge you to address the simple hype that I objected to about Moira and Ballinlough. There was a claim made that there were to be 180 stands at Ballinlough. How many did you see? As I said my objection are that this sort of promotion misleads the public and they think all game and country fairs are the same. It also misleads the sort of exhibitors we want and they say they will never be back. I make it my business to deliver on everything I advertise and promote and that is why we do organise and deliver the largest and best Game and country Fairs in the respective parts of Ireland. Who says so NOT just me but all of the people I quoted to Mr Cooney. These people are experts in their fields and unlike you and Mr Cooney have actually been to the Fairs not simply made derogatory allegations. The fairs at Moira and Balinlough had good prizes for terriers and lurchers and I applaud this BUT do you not think it is a slight coincidence that it only happened since I came on this forum and made a commitment to help raise the prize money and pot for terriers & lurchers at our shows before this Moira and Ballinlugh lagged along way behind? It will be interesting to see if the prizes are repeated next year. Whereas our commitment is to continuing to grow our prize structure.

 

 

5. As I said I fully respect what Des Macken has done with his terriers and that is why we have him judging at Birr. But did you know that Des bought his first terriers from Seamus? And Des and Seamus would both tell you of the respect they have for each other although there had been a bit of a falling out. I concur with you that I have seen Terence McLaughlin win quite a bit with his dogs at various shows I have been at and from my limited knowledge of terriers I could see they were fine conditioned and presented animals and I understand he has won widely in the UK. However as I said Seamus won Stoneleigh with a working dog and that is a hard pinnacle to reach. Now you made the allegation that you could name 100 men who had done more than Seamus with their terriers in Ireland - that's two you have come up with - lets have the other 98!

 

6. The judging at Birr since I have been involved has not been a SHAM. As you know you had to admit your earlier allegations about the judging were about the shows organised there by Margaret Edghill not me.

My brother has judged Birr and he like my father did, keeps good terriers and I challenged Seamus to also judge Birr. I would be happy that both judged fairly. Judging of any dogs even with a KC standard is always going to be a matter of opinion. Terrier judging is more difficult because of a lack of a printed standard and the diversity of type so all you are ever going to get is a person's opinion. You may not like it but the answer is simple that that person does not rate your dog - does that make the judging a SHAM?

 

Unfortunately I thought the KC dog show people were 'Kennel blind, but it appears some like you with 'working' terriers may be even more so.

 

7. I came on this forum to defend our organising team and our fairs from ill informed comment. To date all the criticism I have had from you and Mr Cooney is long on misconceptions and allegations and very short on fact or personal experience. You and friend Cooney have criticised our shows and our terrier & lurcher organising team not on the basis of facts but misconceptions, rumours and quite unpleasant innuenedo. If you don't like the FACTS as I put them - too bad. BUT I really would like Mr Cooney and yourself to try to show some semblance of fairness and objectivity by making comments on the basis of having seen things for yourself and not on hearsay. Thats why both of you have been invited as my guests to Shanes and Birr to see the FACTS for yourselves.

 

That is one challenge I hope both of you will take!

 

I have to say I am disappointed by your attack on us simply because I gave a robust defence to your friend Cooney's attacks on our terrier & lurcher organisers and our fairs. I am even more disappointed that your attack is not factually based. I am prepared to debate any topic with anyone but please lets have the debate on the basis of facts and personal knowledge not wild allegations.

 

I hope to see you and Mr Cooney at Birr. Can we leave our debate until we meet face to face!

 

Albertj

lets get something straight you contacted me about judging birr i recommed a well respected terrier judge as im no expert on terrier or judging and i never claim to be that why i got davy roberts for you.you said i never hunted with shamus but you have never mention one terrierman from the south and ill tell you another thing ask dessie who contacted him about judging birr the show that he was barred him from by shamus for years i told you before i won best terrier at birr one year got a plack worth 7.50 after paying 5 euro to entry my terrier SHAM FACTS ps albert put up the picture of last years winning terrier at birr for all to see

[AlbertJ 569]

as you keep refering to working dogs dessie won every show in england with a good working dog a lakeland called tyke or turk i think .THE BEST GAME AND BIGEST WAS ADARE MANOR flushing foxes is not what id call terrier work as a hound or springer will do the same thing you say samus accounted for more foxes in ireland.WHEN THEY WERE A BOUNTY ON FOXES I KNOW 3 LADS THAT WOULD SLEEP ALL DAY AND SHOOT FOXES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AT NIGHT FOR A LIVING THEY HAD A HOLE CUT IN THE ROOF OF A VAN THEY LAMPED OUT OF THAT THEY OFTEN PUT 200 MILES A NIGHT ON VAN OFTEN GETTING 150 TO 200 A WEEK NOWS THATS FACT.point im trying to make is how can you come on here and say shamus accounted for more foxes than anyone else i know some lads not to far from shamus and they dig a hundred plus foxes a season this SHIT ABOUT MY SHOW IS BIGGER AND BETTER THAN YER SHOW A LOAD O BOLLOCKS THE TERRIER JUDGING SO FAR IN BIRR HAS BEEN A SHAM I BEGINNING TO THINK ALBERT UR ON THE WRONG FORUM THE FIRST THING WILL BE THE 5 EURO ENTRANCE A DOG ITS BEEN 3 EURO EVERY OTHER SHOW THIS YEAR HERES ANOTHER NAME FOR YA T MCGLOGHN FROM THE SHOW SEEN WON A LOT OF SHOW. BALLINLOUGH PRIZES FOR TERRIERS AND LUCHERS WERE TOP CLASS BOTH WORTH 750 EUROS EACH P.S SHAMUS WONT BE TELLING DESSIE WHAT TO PICK BECAUSE DESSIE HAS FORGOTTEN MORE ABOUT SHOW TERRIER THAN SHAMUS EVER WILL

 

 

Fionn,

 

What a diatribe and what a lot of inaccurate allegations you make because I defended our shows and the club who organise our terrier & lurcher events and had the temerity to criticise Mr Coonney.

 

Some FACTS:

 

1. Adare - We were twinned with Adare which was a good little one day show in a lovely venue that attracted about 6-10,000 people compared to well over 30,000 at Shanes this year. Ask anyone who was at Shanes this year or look for yourself at the www.fieldsports.tv programme this year or the wwww.countrysportschannel.tv last year. Adare had virtually no UK stands and virtually no gun or tackle stands - ALL fairs have moved on since then with the exception of Ballinlough. The late Lord Harrington who organised Adare and I jointly chaired a group that developed links and competitions between it and the early shows at Shanes but both groups recognised Shanes was the larger Fair and since then we have grown both attendance and stands.

Once again like your friend Cooney you make allegations which are inaccurate and based on a total lack of knowledge as I attended Adare every year whereas when was the last time you attended Shanes if ever? So the comparison you make is NOT based on FACT.

 

2. You put yourself forward as an expert on terriers and judging - what have your dogs won? what have you bred? Where have you judged? I don't claim to be an expert on terriers but I have had dogs for 50 years and instead of whingeing about how unfair judges are to working dogs, I competed and won at the highest level in Irish and UK dog shows with real working gundogs. No not just dogs I claimed worked but working dogs that won awards in working tests and gundog trials against the best in Ireland. My Ruadth prefix is respected throughout the gundog world. And I don't think even you could claim that it is easier to train a working gundog than a working terrier.

 

3. You have never worked with Seamus but yet you make allegations about how he works his terriers. Have you ever seen him dig - he is one of the best guys with a spade/shovel I have ever seen. Although he now has many other fieldsports interests including picking up with very well trained gundogs he is still in much demand all over NI for fox control and kills more foxes than most of the people who trumpet about their working dogs. I think you should talk to some of the guys you know who remember when the bounty was on in the late 70's how active Seamus was. You should also ask the guy YOU recommended to judge the Five Nations about hunting with Seamus and Gary Middleton. Also have a look at Seamus's van when you are in Birr.

 

4 I challenge you to address the simple hype that I objected to about Moira and Ballinlough. There was a claim made that there were to be 180 stands at Ballinlough. How many did you see? As I said my objection are that this sort of promotion misleads the public and they think all game and country fairs are the same. It also misleads the sort of exhibitors we want and they say they will never be back. I make it my business to deliver on everything I advertise and promote and that is why we do organise and deliver the largest and best Game and country Fairs in the respective parts of Ireland. Who says so NOT just me but all of the people I quoted to Mr Cooney. These people are experts in their fields and unlike you and Mr Cooney have actually been to the Fairs not simply made derogatory allegations. The fairs at Moira and Balinlough had good prizes for terriers and lurchers and I applaud this BUT do you not think it is a slight coincidence that it only happened since I came on this forum and made a commitment to help raise the prize money and pot for terriers & lurchers at our shows before this Moira and Ballinlugh lagged along way behind? It will be interesting to see if the prizes are repeated next year. Whereas our commitment is to continuing to grow our prize structure.

 

 

5. As I said I fully respect what Des Macken has done with his terriers and that is why we have him judging at Birr. But did you know that Des bought his first terriers from Seamus? And Des and Seamus would both tell you of the respect they have for each other although there had been a bit of a falling out. I concur with you that I have seen Terence McLaughlin win quite a bit with his dogs at various shows I have been at and from my limited knowledge of terriers I could see they were fine conditioned and presented animals and I understand he has won widely in the UK. However as I said Seamus won Stoneleigh with a working dog and that is a hard pinnacle to reach. Now you made the allegation that you could name 100 men who had done more than Seamus with their terriers in Ireland - that's two you have come up with - lets have the other 98!

 

6. The judging at Birr since I have been involved has not been a SHAM. As you know you had to admit your earlier allegations about the judging were about the shows organised there by Margaret Edghill not me.

My brother has judged Birr and he like my father did, keeps good terriers and I challenged Seamus to also judge Birr. I would be happy that both judged fairly. Judging of any dogs even with a KC standard is always going to be a matter of opinion. Terrier judging is more difficult because of a lack of a printed standard and the diversity of type so all you are ever going to get is a person's opinion. You may not like it but the answer is simple that that person does not rate your dog - does that make the judging a SHAM?

 

Unfortunately I thought the KC dog show people were 'Kennel blind, but it appears some like you with 'working' terriers may be even more so.

 

7. I came on this forum to defend our organising team and our fairs from ill informed comment. To date all the criticism I have had from you and Mr Cooney is long on misconceptions and allegations and very short on fact or personal experience. You and friend Cooney have criticised our shows and our terrier & lurcher organising team not on the basis of facts but misconceptions, rumours and quite unpleasant innuenedo. If you don't like the FACTS as I put them - too bad. BUT I really would like Mr Cooney and yourself to try to show some semblance of fairness and objectivity by making comments on the basis of having seen things for yourself and not on hearsay. Thats why both of you have been invited as my guests to Shanes and Birr to see the FACTS for yourselves.

 

That is one challenge I hope both of you will take!

 

I have to say I am disappointed by your attack on us simply because I gave a robust defence to your friend Cooney's attacks on our terrier & lurcher organisers and our fairs. I am even more disappointed that your attack is not factually based. I am prepared to debate any topic with anyone but please lets have the debate on the basis of facts and personal knowledge not wild allegations.

 

I hope to see you and Mr Cooney at Birr. Can we leave our debate until we meet face to face!

 

Albertj

lets get something straight you contacted me about judging birr i recommed a well respected terrier judge as im no expert on terrier or judging and i never claim to be that why i got davy roberts for you.you said i never hunted with shamus but you have never mention one terrierman from the south and ill tell you another thing ask dessie who contacted him about judging birr the show that he was barred him from by shamus for years i told you before i won best terrier at birr one year got a plack worth 7.50 after paying 5 euro to entry my terrier SHAM FACTS ps albert put up the picture of last years winning terrier at birr for all to see

 

 

Fionn,

 

Thanks for your response. I did not contact you about judging at Birr - that is not within my gift -the decision is made by the Mid Antrim Club and I am not a member. I can make recommendations and I do but the decision is theirs.

 

what did happen was that in response to an allegation from you about judging I challenged you to suggest a judge who you thought would judge fairly and you did. I suggested him to Seamus and the club supported him as someome who they could support as a fair judge. I thank you for your suggestion and the fact that it was accepted should demonstrate to you and other critics that the club abd I have absolutely no vested interest in choosing or fixing judges.

 

Regarding your plaque prize that as you well know was before I had any involvement in the Birr event. At that stage the National Country Fair at Birr was run by Margaret Eghill and the budget that she arrived at was nothing to do with me. I suspect you did not pay €5 to enter.

 

The prizes at this year's fair at Birr are the best ever offered at any show in Ireland and I have to admit it was through me responding to criticism on the forum as well as Seamus's constant prodding to give you guys parity with the gundogs etc.

 

I have done this and still we are the subject of ill informed and quite derogatory criticism. I do not mind criticism of myself but I will not stand for unfair criticism of our organising team who I believe to have behaved impeccably - at least over the last few years since I took a personal interest in the terrier and lurchers. I am not really interested in ancient criticisms.

 

It is no secret that Seamus barred Dessie from the shows because he disputed a judging decision publicly. I have barred gundog handlers for similar offences.

 

However Des and I have always rubbed along Ok and I did intervene to try to get Des re-instated as I wanted to see judges from Ireland involved as well as UK judges. Seamus agreed to my suggestion that Des judge the show this year at Birr. This decision was a joint one between the club and me.

 

Des and Dave have my full confidence as fair and independent judges.

 

Those are the FACTS and there is nothing SHAM about them.

 

I am very happy to have profiles of any terrier or lurcher man or woman who has achieved much in the ring or in the field in our magazine. AND I am always willing to listen to suggestions for judges and pass them on for approval by the club. BUT it is up to people such as yourself to suggest them to me or our editor Paul Pringle - who has a personal interest in terriers and lurchers.

 

I cannot understand how you can criticise any of the above and in fact apart from your criticism of me and Seamus you appear to be 'pushing at an open door'.

 

I look forward to meeting you at Birr.

 

Albertj

[Hunter of T-N-G 1]

I read through all that in one go as I had been told it was very interesting. To be honest my eyes are stingin my head hurts and im a bit confused its like a hangover but i never had the night on the beer.

[dogman71 1]

I read through all that in one go as I had been told it was very interesting. To be honest my eyes are stingin my head hurts and im a bit confused its like a hangover but i never had the night on the beer.

[SHARPSHOOTER! 40]

Hi,

May I say there is always bickering around these sort of events ....FACT....

 

So why entertain these bandits ?? I understand they get under peoples skin ,but don't rise to what is known to be unsubstantiated nonsense....

 

 

TOM, is nothing more than a true gent and if wee all had the consideration and love and desire this man has for field sports in general, as a whole not just holding a gun .

 

 

What people perceive field sports to be as a whole would benefit greatly.

 

THIS IS ALSO (FACT) AS I'M SURE ALL PEOPLE WHO KNOW HIM WOULD AGREE!!!

[CarraghsGem 92]

Hi,

May I say there is always bickering around these sort of events ....FACT....

 

So why entertain these bandits ?? I understand they get under peoples skin ,but don't rise to what is known to be unsubstantiated nonsense....

 

 

TOM, is nothing more than a true gent and if wee all had the consideration and love and desire this man has for field sports in general, as a whole not just holding a gun .

 

 

What people perceive field sports to be as a whole would benefit greatly.

 

THIS IS ALSO (FACT) AS I'M SURE ALL PEOPLE WHO KNOW HIM WOULD AGREE!!!

 

:clapper:

[terrier.2 123]

with all due respect,this has to be the biggest ego boosting crock of shit i have ever read..for those that hold certain names in high esteem so be it!,but for those that dont fair play,you probably know better.......all five pages read ..my shows better than yours!!!!no matter what your all trying to say that is how it reads and its deplorable,juvenile and un-professional.....just get on with your show ,stop trying to justify your "stand numbers" and "gate entries" and enjoy!!!

you will always have some one opposing this that and the other but unless your 20-30 years in the terrier game then its an arguement lost on deaf years(respect those that know so much better).......lets face facts its a bloody dog show..those dogs that have qualified dont seem to be joining in this ridiculous argument now do they?.once upon a time the male testosterone was my c*cks bigger than yours now its "my shows bigger than yours"...there will always be a favourite to win.........you just draw lucky with the judges,some you get bloody damnmed lukcy and you could nt have picked it better yourself....some you lose!!!!..but this arguement is totally detracting away from working terriers and sounds more and more like bloody crufts!!!!!!!!!!just run the show and be done with it!!!!!!!!

[jackda 0]

well said

[SHARPSHOOTER! 40]

with all due respect,this has to be the biggest ego boosting crock of shit i have ever read..for those that hold certain names in high esteem so be it!,but for those that dont fair play,you probably know better.......all five pages read ..my shows better than yours!!!!no matter what your all trying to say that is how it reads and its deplorable,juvenile and un-professional.....just get on with your show ,stop trying to justify your "stand numbers" and "gate entries" and enjoy!!!

you will always have some one opposing this that and the other but unless your 20-30 years in the terrier game then its an arguement lost on deaf years(respect those that know so much better).......lets face facts its a bloody dog show..those dogs that have qualified dont seem to be joining in this ridiculous argument now do they?.once upon a time the male testosterone was my c*cks bigger than yours now its "my shows bigger than yours"...there will always be a favourite to win.........you just draw lucky with the judges,some you get bloody damnmed lukcy and you could nt have picked it better yourself....some you lose!!!!..but this arguement is totally detracting away from working terriers and sounds more and more like bloody crufts!!!!!!!!!!just run the show and be done with it!!!!!!!!

OOO L**Es had a few lmao . Only kidding, as you would know cos every time there's a show your there (me too),hail rain and snow . Another true field sport enthusiast.

 

 

GO GIRL!!!!

[terrier.2 123]

with all due respect,this has to be the biggest ego boosting crock of shit i have ever read..for those that hold certain names in high esteem so be it!,but for those that dont fair play,you probably know better.......all five pages read ..my shows better than yours!!!!no matter what your all trying to say that is how it reads and its deplorable,juvenile and un-professional.....just get on with your show ,stop trying to justify your "stand numbers" and "gate entries" and enjoy!!!

you will always have some one opposing this that and the other but unless your 20-30 years in the terrier game then its an arguement lost on deaf years(respect those that know so much better).......lets face facts its a bloody dog show..those dogs that have qualified dont seem to be joining in this ridiculous argument now do they?.once upon a time the male testosterone was my c*cks bigger than yours now its "my shows bigger than yours"...there will always be a favourite to win.........you just draw lucky with the judges,some you get bloody damnmed lukcy and you could nt have picked it better yourself....some you lose!!!!..but this arguement is totally detracting away from working terriers and sounds more and more like bloody crufts!!!!!!!!!!just run the show and be done with it!!!!!!!!

OOO L**Es had a few lmao . Only kidding, as you would know cos every time there's a show your there (me too),hail rain and snow . Another true field sport enthusiast.

 

 

GO GIRL!!!!

and you ll never see me spitting the dummy!!!!!!!usually had to many pimms to give a shite!!!!!but i like the shows as does everyone else on here who pretends they dont!!!!

[terrier.2 123]

10 MEMBERS READING THIS ALL ANON EXCEPT ME...TOO SCARED TOO LET EVERYONE SEE THY RE READING THE SHOW SECTION!!!!!!!

[CarraghsGem 92]

10 MEMBERS READING THIS ALL ANON EXCEPT ME...TOO SCARED TOO LET EVERYONE SEE THY RE READING THE SHOW SECTION!!!!!!!

 

not all!

[terrier.2 123]

10 MEMBERS READING THIS ALL ANON EXCEPT ME...TOO SCARED TOO LET EVERYONE SEE THY RE READING THE SHOW SECTION!!!!!!!

 

not all!

APOLOGIES CG YOUR NAME WAS NT THER WHEN I SCROLLED DOWN

[HGN 150]

too much bickering - too few shows - come on lads

Edited August 19, 2010 by HGN