New Dog Control Bill

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

What the F*CK!

 

This is bang out of order!

[Kay 3,709]

Second reading - the general debate on all aspects of the Bill - takes place on 9 July.2010

[Caravan Monster 323]

This bill was put together by the RSPCA, The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) and the National Dog Warden's Association. So the anti content is no surprise.

 

Remember when the then Home Secretary Alan Johnson and Hilary Benn (previous environment minister) wanted to introduce compulsory dog insurance -- if the Dog Control Bill becomes law, it will be the eventual result of the process they started.

 

It is strange that it is a Private Member's Bill introduced by Lord Redesdale (Lib Dem), who as Chairman of the Red Squirrel Protection Party would appear to be very much for hunting / pest control

 

Red Squirrel Protection Party link

 

Surely he would approve of lurchers killing grey squirrels ?

Edited July 5, 2010 by Caravan Monster

[Kay 3,709]

This is what was proposed

 

encourage a dog to be aggressive or to intimidate people or other animals

 

 

 

 

This is what was read on its first reading & ordered to be printed

 

 

 

keep a dog that has attacked a person or another protected animal

without reasonable cause.

 

rabbits & rats arnt protected are they

[TOPPER 1,809]

i was speaking to Clive Rees last night and mentioned this and he s very concerned over it he said the wording of it is very loose and ambiguasus the biggest problem is its an absolute offence there is no readdress against it which cant be right , fair play has gone right out of the window there out to ban all hunting with dogs and get the dog population reduced to a few lapdogs

[J Darcy 5,871]

It's a back door move to clamp down once again. A wolf in sheeps clothing for sure....

[Catcher 1 639]

No person shall—

 

(a)

 

allow a dog for which they are responsible to be aggressive or

 

dangerously out of control, in either a public or a private place;

 

This bit worries me.I have foxes roaming about at night in and around my neighbours garden,s.When my dog,s see or smell them they start barking.Will this be considered aggressive.I have a guy across the road who own,s a lab.Never seen him walking it in the two year,he,s had it.Sit,s in his front garden and run,s up to the fence barking every time some one passes by ?.I cant see how this law could ever work.

[Malt 379]

I remember when someone posted something on this a while back, celebrating the demise of BSL. I seem to remember being worried about the new wording at the time and the fact that the R*PCA had a hand in it...

[Catcher 1 639]

I remember when someone posted something on this a while back, celebrating the demise of BSL. I seem to remember being worried about the new wording at the time and the fact that the R*PCA had a hand in it...

 

 

Have to agree the wording stink,s of rspca as most of them are control freak,s.

[Kay 3,709]

According to the proposed bill '' protected animal'' means any animal not living in a wild state .. so it may not be as bad as thought regarding working your dogs on legal quarry extract taken from the animal welfare bill 2006

 

2 “Protected animalâ€

An animal is a “protected animal†for the purposes of this Act if—

(a) it is of a kind which is commonly domesticated in the British Islands,

( it is under the control of man whether on a permanent or temporary

basis, or

© it is not living in a wild state.

[Catcher 1 639]

According to the proposed bill '' protected animal'' means any animal not living in a wild state .. so it may not be as bad as thought regarding working your dogs on legal quarry extract taken from the animal welfare bill 2006

 

2 "Protected animal"

An animal is a "protected animal" for the purposes of this Act if—

(a) it is of a kind which is commonly domesticated in the British Islands,

( it is under the control of man whether on a permanent or temporary

basis, or

© it is not living in a wild state.

 

 

Hi kay.I think most off the bill,s wording is to open to interpretation Who will be the local authorised

 

 

 

1)

 

An officer of a police force or a local authority authorised by it to exercise the

 

5

 

powers conferred by this section may seize any dog which, in public, fails to

 

comply with section 2 of this Act.

 

(2)

 

If a justice of the peace is satisfied by information on oath that there are

 

reasonable grounds for believing that an offence under any provision of this

 

Act is being or has been committed on any premises, the justice of the peace

 

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may issue a warrant authorising a constable to enter those premises (using

 

such force as is necessary) and to search them and seize any dog or other thing

 

found there which is evidence of the commission of such an offence.

 

 

[TOPPER 1,809]

NOW I DONT KNOW HOW TRUE THIS IS SO DON T QUOTE IT, i ve just been told by a CA director that when this act comes into play there are moves afoot to award powers of seizure to the RSPCA which in itself is a very dangerous move for any working dog man i feel this could be the thin end of the wedge to give power s to charity workers !!

[riohog 5,939]

NOW I DONT KNOW HOW TRUE THIS IS SO DON T QUOTE IT, i ve just been told by a CA director that when this act comes into play there are moves afoot to award powers of seizure to the RSPCA which in itself is a very dangerous move for any working dog man i feel this could be the thin end of the wedge to give power s to charity workers !!

think it would be a risky move to enter private premisses without invitation .or a court warrent to sieze dogs , think they might find it a health risk!!!

[MuttleMcTuttle 21]

Oh dear... In future I'll have to tell the collies to ask the cows & sheep really nicely and in a totally non-intimidating way if they would mind moving into the yard in an orderly fashion and not legging it up the road via the neighbour's lawn...

[Caravan Monster 323]

The Bill moved on another stage toward becoming law this afternoon, having passed second reading. In the debate, the Labour Lord wanted to push through a version of the Bill that the RSPCA want. Lord Redesdale (lib dem) who had brought forward the bill said it was all ok, and that it wasn't an another law to ban hunting with dogs. Lord Marchdale (con) wanted to the law to stay more or less as it is at the moment without the Dog Control Bill becoming law. The coalition government minister for DEFRA did not want the Dog Control Bill to go ahead either.

 

What really stood out during the debate was their Lordships' ignorance about dogs in general. Examples included that greyhounds and whippets should never be let off the lead near sheep because it is impossible to stock-break them. Apparently, being bitten by a Labrador cannot cause serious injury according to another Lord

 

Have to wait and see what happens at the next reading of the bill....