deadlock 0 Posted May 24, 2010 Report Share Posted May 24, 2010 My first thought on seeing a bull fight was that it was cruel but it stirred up such strong emotions in me that I went to spain and took the time to study it. Since that time I have run with bulls, seen bulls on the ranches and have been in the ring with young fighting cows and have killed 2 2year old bulls. To be honest I can hardly be arsed to explain it here to such ignorant people but a few things I need to add..... The bull is at its most dangerous point as its killed, yes it has been tired out but it is still at its most able to kill a man or horse. When it first comes into the ring it charges blindly and is at its easist to work with, after its speed of foot and blind aggression is controlled the it concentrates all its attention more and more on the man and small muleta then it is at its most dangerous. It isnt a sport, no one who defends it will call it such. As for matadors being cowards I would love to take anyone who says that with me to spain and put them in the ring with a 2 year old cow (when they are tested for bravery and breeding selection). And a young matador isnt judged till he has under gone his first servere wound. To come back from that and stand in front of a chargeing bull, keeping ones feet still and takeing the bulls charge around ones body with nothing but a small piece of cloth hung on a stick. If you want to comment on someone elses passion in life then have the good grace to at least study it first and learn actual facts. The worrying thing is some of the comments one this thread have been taken off anti sites,at least it seems to to me. If thats where you get your facts from then no probs but I would ask that you get on with your lives and leave others to live theirs. At last some one who knows what hes talking about these idiot say they are cowards matadors are the exact opposite of that, when this shit country has finished banning everything they'll move on to other countries Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dawn B 212 Posted May 25, 2010 Report Share Posted May 25, 2010 Sport? What sport? isnt sport a contest of equal parts, the best one winning? What a JOKE! Bull Fighting is a cowards day out, the Bull NEVER wins, cannot possibly ever. Even if he kills the matador the next "tough guy" comes and kills it! How great to watch a magnificent fighting Bull enter the arena, powerful and alert, then is systematically ran round and stabbed behind its shoulder up to 10 times on occasion to severe the muscles, so when the big tough Matador comes in he can prance around like a fairy for a while and then kill it!! Baring in mind the Bull hasnt been able to lift it head properly since the other cowards cut all its muscles!! What brave brave men they are!! Take the Bull from the field into the ring, then bring in the Matador, lets see a FAIR contest!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 10,014 Posted May 25, 2010 Report Share Posted May 25, 2010 Sport? What sport? isnt sport a contest of equal parts, the best one winning? What a JOKE! Bull Fighting is a cowards day out, the Bull NEVER wins, cannot possibly ever. Even if he kills the matador the next "tough guy" comes and kills it! How great to watch a magnificent fighting Bull enter the arena, powerful and alert, then is systematically ran round and stabbed behind its shoulder up to 10 times on occasion to severe the muscles, so when the big tough Matador comes in he can prance around like a fairy for a while and then kill it!! Baring in mind the Bull hasnt been able to lift it head properly since the other cowards cut all its muscles!! What brave brave men they are!! Take the Bull from the field into the ring, then bring in the Matador, lets see a FAIR contest!!! spot on ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tallyho 181 Posted May 25, 2010 Report Share Posted May 25, 2010 Sport? What sport? isnt sport a contest of equal parts, the best one winning? What a JOKE! Bull Fighting is a cowards day out, the Bull NEVER wins, cannot possibly ever. Even if he kills the matador the next "tough guy" comes and kills it! How great to watch a magnificent fighting Bull enter the arena, powerful and alert, then is systematically ran round and stabbed behind its shoulder up to 10 times on occasion to severe the muscles, so when the big tough Matador comes in he can prance around like a fairy for a while and then kill it!! Baring in mind the Bull hasnt been able to lift it head properly since the other cowards cut all its muscles!! What brave brave men they are!! Take the Bull from the field into the ring, then bring in the Matador, lets see a FAIR contest!!! spot on ! agree with the above, it's not right when they keep throwing knives into the bull to try and hinder and slow it , yeah if you want to jump into the ring to show how brave you are do it all fairly dont cause suffering to it , and as for deadlock my lurchers dont chew the ass of the rabbits they catch and they do have a chance of getting away . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIDO.1 22,862 Posted May 25, 2010 Report Share Posted May 25, 2010 nice wright up dido when you went to the bull run was it full of ozy travelrs. and did you get close to a bull. me and the mrs have been on about going for a while now, she also wants to go to the tomato festival, My favourite place on earth. Maybe dont take the mrs unless you can afford a nice hotel. Sport? What sport? isnt sport a contest of equal parts, the best one winning? What a JOKE! Bull Fighting is a cowards day out, the Bull NEVER wins, cannot possibly ever. Even if he kills the matador the next "tough guy" comes and kills it! How great to watch a magnificent fighting Bull enter the arena, powerful and alert, then is systematically ran round and stabbed behind its shoulder up to 10 times on occasion to severe the muscles, so when the big tough Matador comes in he can prance around like a fairy for a while and then kill it!! Baring in mind the Bull hasnt been able to lift it head properly since the other cowards cut all its muscles!! What brave brave men they are!! Take the Bull from the field into the ring, then bring in the Matador, lets see a FAIR contest!!! Sorry who said it was a sport, not me. I know its a daft question but which animal would you rather be..... A bull.... You spend two years out on the range with miles of open range with rivers to wallow in and trees to shelter under. At 2 years old you are taken in to a small ring on the range and faced by a man on a horse, you charge and recieve a pic in you thick shoulder muscle. The gate to the range is thrown open and you can choose the combat and to charge again even tho you know you will recieve punishment. If you dont accept and run away then you go the way of all beef cattle. If you choose the combat that you have been bred for hundreds of years they you go back to the open range for 3 more years living wild with your brothers. When you go to the ring you should be dead within 15 minutes, with all wounds coming in hot blood in thick muscle, and if animals wounds recieved in hot blood hurt as little as humans then they cant hurt much. (also think pit bulls). You get to see your killer and look him in the eye. You get to fight for your life and if you do well then and are declared really brave then you can leave the ring alive and spend the rest of your days humping fit cows. or a pig...... You spend your short life living in doors, mainly on concreate and in your own sh*t. Then you get kicked into a wagon, get kicked out the other end of your long journey and get a polish bloke stick some electric headphoes on you!!! I know which life I would choose. If you dont agree with it no probs... plenty of people dedicate their lives to destroying your way of life also.. people in massive glass house shouldnt play with house bricks! Long life spain and the fiesta, where for a couple of quid you can see real life and death, see it threatened, avoided, accepted and given all in an afternoon. Certainly beats eating smilely faced shaped chicken nuggets in england and pretending no animals were harmed in the process. EACH TO THEIR OWN. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dawn B 212 Posted May 25, 2010 Report Share Posted May 25, 2010 (edited) Sorry who said it was a sport, not me. I know its a daft question but which animal would you rather be..... No, its not a daft question at all. A bull.... You spend two years out on the range with miles of open range with rivers to wallow in and trees to shelter under. At 2 years old you are taken in to a small ring on the range and faced by a man on a horse, you charge and recieve a pic in you thick shoulder muscle. The gate to the range is thrown open and you can choose the combat and to charge again even tho you know you will recieve punishment. If you dont accept and run away then you go the way of all beef cattle.If you choose the combat that you have been bred for hundreds of years they you go back to the open range for 3 more years living wild with your brothers. When you go to the ring you should be dead within 15 minutes, with all wounds coming in hot blood in thick muscle, and if animals wounds recieved in hot blood hurt as little as humans then they cant hurt much. (also think pit bulls). You get to see your killer and look him in the eye. You get to fight for your life and if you do well then and are declared really brave then you can leave the ring alive and spend the rest of your days humping fit cows. He is a Bull Dido, you are anthropomorphising! he is incapable of "thinking" in the manner you describe. He is bred solely for public mutilation and killing, nothing more. Very very rare will a Bull live, in fact Id go as far as to say hardly ever. The stud Bulls would NEED to be able to lift their heads to mate, the ones that enter that ring have their muscles cut, severed, beyond repair, its the ONLY way a Matador can kill him without risking serious injury to himself, how else do you think he will be able to stab him at the base of his neck if he can still hold his head up? its a shameful practice where there is only one winner. or a pig...... You spend your short life living in doors, mainly on concreate and in your own sh*t. Then you get kicked into a wagon, get kicked out the other end of your long journey and get a polish bloke stick some electric headphoes on you!!!Pigs (like the Bull) have been bred for humans, except they are not tortured relentlessly untill they are finally killed. I have no problem with correctly reared animals of ANY description. I used to do a bit of work for a slaughter House years ago, I saw nothing there that would ever change my views. I know which life I would choose. If you dont agree with it no probs... plenty of people dedicate their lives to destroying your way of life also.. people in massive glass house shouldnt play with house bricks!I dont agree with the unfairness of it Dido, not the tradition. Its not a "sport" its a foregone conclusion, nothing more. Long life spain and the fiesta, where for a couple of quid you can see real life and death, see it threatened, avoided, accepted and given all in an afternoon. Certainly beats eating smilely faced shaped chicken nuggets in england and pretending no animals were harmed in the process.EACH TO THEIR OWN. Im not for one minute saying others cant "enjoy" it, and if its their "bag" then so be it. I am one person that believes in a sporting chance, Hare Coursing, Fox Hunting thrill me immensley, why? Its fair! Edited May 25, 2010 by Dawn B Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chimp 299 Posted May 25, 2010 Report Share Posted May 25, 2010 (edited) heard it all before , crap from vasaline in the eyes , and them being worn down etc.. anything to pull down there sport , it is spains national sport ffs ... whats up just because the uk let anti's walk all over them we should start on other countries? me and my mate are going to pampolna next year to run with the bulls(sharply edited lol) , bearing in mind i cant run 50 ft without being knackered it should be fun lol done javea a couple of years ago and the bull is run into the sea. i dont care what you say , horns cut .. knackered or not , when you got this running towards you it's going to hurt. we had a tradition once , it was called fox hunting and even badger . lets not diss others Edited May 25, 2010 by chimp Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted May 25, 2010 Report Share Posted May 25, 2010 me and my mate are going to pampolna next year to run with the balls does your wifes know? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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chimp 299 Posted May 25, 2010 Report Share Posted May 25, 2010 (edited) me and my mate are going to pampolna next year to run with the balls does your wifes know? lol bulls god damn it , u got me i'll try anything once ........... maybe not lol Edited May 25, 2010 by chimp Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIDO.1 22,862 Posted May 25, 2010 Report Share Posted May 25, 2010 Sorry who said it was a sport, not me. I know its a daft question but which animal would you rather be..... No, its not a daft question at all. A bull.... You spend two years out on the range with miles of open range with rivers to wallow in and trees to shelter under. At 2 years old you are taken in to a small ring on the range and faced by a man on a horse, you charge and recieve a pic in you thick shoulder muscle. The gate to the range is thrown open and you can choose the combat and to charge again even tho you know you will recieve punishment. If you dont accept and run away then you go the way of all beef cattle.If you choose the combat that you have been bred for hundreds of years they you go back to the open range for 3 more years living wild with your brothers. When you go to the ring you should be dead within 15 minutes, with all wounds coming in hot blood in thick muscle, and if animals wounds recieved in hot blood hurt as little as humans then they cant hurt much. (also think pit bulls). You get to see your killer and look him in the eye. You get to fight for your life and if you do well then and are declared really brave then you can leave the ring alive and spend the rest of your days humping fit cows. He is a Bull Dido, you are anthropomorphising! he is incapable of "thinking" in the manner you describe. He is bred solely for public mutilation and killing, nothing more. Very very rare will a Bull live, in fact Id go as far as to say hardly ever. The stud Bulls would NEED to be able to lift their heads to mate, the ones that enter that ring have their muscles cut, severed, beyond repair, its the ONLY way a Matador can kill him without risking serious injury to himself, how else do you think he will be able to stab him at the base of his neck if he can still hold his head up? its a shameful practice where there is only one winner. or a pig...... You spend your short life living in doors, mainly on concreate and in your own sh*t. Then you get kicked into a wagon, get kicked out the other end of your long journey and get a polish bloke stick some electric headphoes on you!!!Pigs (like the Bull) have been bred for humans, except they are not tortured relentlessly untill they are finally killed. I have no problem with correctly reared animals of ANY description. I used to do a bit of work for a slaughter House years ago, I saw nothing there that would ever change my views. I know which life I would choose. If you dont agree with it no probs... plenty of people dedicate their lives to destroying your way of life also.. people in massive glass house shouldnt play with house bricks!I dont agree with the unfairness of it Dido, not the tradition. Its not a "sport" its a foregone conclusion, nothing more. Long life spain and the fiesta, where for a couple of quid you can see real life and death, see it threatened, avoided, accepted and given all in an afternoon. Certainly beats eating smilely faced shaped chicken nuggets in england and pretending no animals were harmed in the process.EACH TO THEIR OWN. Im not for one minute saying others cant "enjoy" it, and if its their "bag" then so be it. I am one person that believes in a sporting chance, Hare Coursing, Fox Hunting thrill me immensley, why? Its fair! Im sorry but what you say is simply wrong. I have seen 8 bulls recieve a pardon. I have also seen a stud bull (a victorino ) that had come from the ring out serveing cows on the range. As I have said a bull is at his most dangerous as he is killed. Its completely not true that he cannot lift his head. I know that as fact as I have had personal experience and have seen good friends seriously wounded on numerous occasions. Also I was not anthropomorphising (sic) as I was asking you which life you would like to live, not asking what an animal would think, there is a small but major difference. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest stewie Posted May 25, 2010 Report Share Posted May 25, 2010 dildo would you fight a bull???? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIDO.1 22,862 Posted May 25, 2010 Report Share Posted May 25, 2010 dildo would you fight a bull???? I would never again go within reach of a spanish fighting bull. I have killed two young animals behind closed doors on a ranch and have been many times in the ring with young cows during the time they are tested for bravery and breeding selection in a mini/mock bull fight. I have done enough to know I will never have the bravery or skills to handle anything bigger and painful incidents to know not to mess even with the small ones. I would love to run with bulls again but dont think I would even risk that anymore after the injuries I have seen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
inan 841 Posted May 25, 2010 Report Share Posted May 25, 2010 Sport? What sport? isnt sport a contest of equal parts, the best one winning? What a JOKE! Bull Fighting is a cowards day out, the Bull NEVER wins, cannot possibly ever. Even if he kills the matador the next "tough guy" comes and kills it! How great to watch a magnificent fighting Bull enter the arena, powerful and alert, then is systematically ran round and stabbed behind its shoulder up to 10 times on occasion to severe the muscles, so when the big tough Matador comes in he can prance around like a fairy for a while and then kill it!! Baring in mind the Bull hasnt been able to lift it head properly since the other cowards cut all its muscles!! What brave brave men they are!! Take the Bull from the field into the ring, then bring in the Matador, lets see a FAIR contest!!! Why do you keep saying they sever the muscles ? They do not. Pics are placed into the charging bull to show his courage in insisting under the lance,and to tire the bull so that his head comes down.Banderillas are placed in the bulls shoulders, they go just under the skin.The Matador should aim to kill the bull by placing his sword into a narrow opening on the top of his shoulders/neck, if the Bull is not first tired sufficiently this opening is not reachable .The reason for the stipulation where the sword goes, is because to reach it the Matador must put himself in danger from the horns, when he reaches over with the sword.The concept is that the bull has never faced a man on foot before,.The Matadors cuadrilla, place the banderillas so that the Matador can see which horn the bull hook with ,he also determines this with his preliminary passes .Bulls die in the ring because a bull that has faced a man quickly begins to wise up to how to reach him with his horns, to allow a bull to fight again would be tantamount to suicide for the Matador.Bullfighting is not a sport, it is a ritual,and as such is not determined by giving the bull an even chance . Bull figting is only validated if the Matador puts himself in danger when he makes his passes ,and at the end ,when the bull has retired to his querencia ,when the Matador should go over the horns to effect the kill. You may not like Bull fighting ,that's your choice , but you should get informed about it before making a judgement, and comments on it ,imo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Attack Fell Terrier 864 Posted May 25, 2010 Report Share Posted May 25, 2010 Dido's told everyone the score more than once yet Dawn still refuses to listen! Like it or not this is just the attitude that's ruined some of our age old traditions. I'm surprised and disappointed to say the least. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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