Does he need to see a bunny until then,,??

[bird 9,594]

mooching is great crack, but we all know daytime rabbits are very hard to catch.And a big prob for a green young dog, [if] they see [to many] rabbits getting away, they might think [all] get away.?? It will be [ok] to take it , it will learn its field craft.But try not to show it to much stuff, when you know it aint going to catch them. I always start young dogs in the lamp 1st about August.

[poacher3161 1,766]

Its madness never to take the dog mouching about on ground you intend to lamp how is the dog going to get used to different situations he will come up against.Are you just going to walk him on the roads till its time to get him lamping????

coming from a bloke who freely admits one of his dogs is shite,you do it your way mate ill do it mine,no they dont only get road walked,they get all the free running they need,just not in areas infested with rabbits,and as for situations they come across,once im in the field surrounded by a hedge,they only need to know one thing,catch the bunny,

So would you keep a dog away from the countryside?? were would you walk a dog that some thing might not make it run even the parks are full of squirrels do you implement keeping it on a lead till its ready to lamp.

 

no lead in the fields, i know the land round like the back of my hand, and where the rabbits are, just doing see the point in giving him a rabbit between now and then,,if you think im missing somethink let me know,,

Its all well and good training a pup on sterile ground ie no game or distractions on it but a lot of training can go out of the window once the dog is took on unsterile ground imho its better to train a pup on ground were game is present.

[watchman 256]

Its madness never to take the dog mouching about on ground you intend to lamp how is the dog going to get used to different situations he will come up against.Are you just going to walk him on the roads till its time to get him lamping????

coming from a bloke who freely admits one of his dogs is shite,you do it your way mate ill do it mine,no they dont only get road walked,they get all the free running they need,just not in areas infested with rabbits,and as for situations they come across,once im in the field surrounded by a hedge,they only need to know one thing,catch the bunny,

So would you keep a dog away from the countryside?? were would you walk a dog that some thing might not make it run even the parks are full of squirrels do you implement keeping it on a lead till its ready to lamp.

 

no lead in the fields, i know the land round like the back of my hand, and where the rabbits are, just doing see the point in giving him a rabbit between now and then,,if you think im missing somethink let me know,,

Its all well and good training a pup on sterile ground ie no game or distractions on it but a lot of training can go out of the window once the dog is took on unsterile ground imho its better to train a pup on ground were game is present.

as i say,if thats your opinion,so be it

[poacher3161 1,766]

Its madness never to take the dog mouching about on ground you intend to lamp how is the dog going to get used to different situations he will come up against.Are you just going to walk him on the roads till its time to get him lamping????

coming from a bloke who freely admits one of his dogs is shite,you do it your way mate ill do it mine,no they dont only get road walked,they get all the free running they need,just not in areas infested with rabbits,and as for situations they come across,once im in the field surrounded by a hedge,they only need to know one thing,catch the bunny,

So would you keep a dog away from the countryside?? were would you walk a dog that some thing might not make it run even the parks are full of squirrels do you implement keeping it on a lead till its ready to lamp.

Each to his own but i do know lads that keep them on the lead till ready to lamp , so as not to risk getting a dog that hunts up .

Obviousley lads who carnt train a dog point and slip merchants.MOST lurchers will and can adapt to different methods if trained properly.

[romany52 313]

Far as I can see the only folk who worry about hunting up when lamping,are the ones who can't train a dog.My dogs always did everything ,day, night,ferreting, mouching, makes no difference.A dog only hunts up if you let it. My dogs would lamp off the lead walking to heel, and wouldn't chase till they were told to. they would even watch other dogs run. When ferreting I would place them anywhere I wanted them and they would stay put till one bolted. You can train a lurcher as good as any gun dog, my gsp hunts up like a train but if I blow the stop whistle or the recall it does what it says on the tin. imo most lurcher men are not dog men.

[poacher3161 1,766]

Far as I can see the only folk who worry about hunting up when lamping,are the ones who can't train a dog.My dogs always did everything ,day, night,ferreting, mouching, makes no difference.A dog only hunts up if you let it. My dogs would lamp off the lead walking to heel, and wouldn't chase till they were told to. they would even watch other dogs run. When ferreting I would place them anywhere I wanted them and they would stay put till one bolted. You can train a lurcher as good as any gun dog, my gsp hunts up like a train but if I blow the stop whistle or the recall it does what it says on the tin. imo most lurcher men are not dog men.

Thats it in a nutshell

[fieldsman 51]

Its madness never to take the dog mouching about on ground you intend to lamp how is the dog going to get used to different situations he will come up against.Are you just going to walk him on the roads till its time to get him lamping????

coming from a bloke who freely admits one of his dogs is shite,you do it your way mate ill do it mine,no they dont only get road walked,they get all the free running they need,just not in areas infested with rabbits,and as for situations they come across,once im in the field surrounded by a hedge,they only need to know one thing,catch the bunny,

So would you keep a dog away from the countryside?? were would you walk a dog that some thing might not make it run even the parks are full of squirrels do you implement keeping it on a lead till its ready to lamp.

Each to his own but i do know lads that keep them on the lead till ready to lamp , so as not to risk getting a dog that hunts up .

Obviousley lads who carnt train a dog point and slip merchants.MOST lurchers will and can adapt to different methods if trained properly.

I totally agree if a dog is properly trained and socialised taking it out day or night should not have any detrimental effect on the dog if under control if it will walk to heal during the day it should do the same at night. I lamp with dogs of lead they stay at heal untill told otherwise with constant repatition in your training and close controll your dog should only run quarry when the command is given any thing less is failure

[watchman 256]

ffs lads,im not saying this is set in stone to stop a dog hunting up,i only ever lamp,iv said before,lamping suits my life style,as im sure lots of you work as i do 6 days a week,never had a dog yet that hunted up,would not put up with it,rather put the piece shit in the ground.

to say running a dog on unfamiliar ground is a crock of shit if im on permission i know where and where not to run my dog simple.

all i expect from my dog is manners,sit stay recall ect,dont need a dog to jump so never teach it,dont need it to mark either, it aint f*****g rocket science and yes,dotty do do,this thread is a crock of shit,but only because everyone thinks they know best,my dogs better than yours cause i know best merchants,i tell you if some of us dont conform to the rest they are be-littled for it,every one is entitled to their opinion and their own different methods of getting a job done

[watchman 256]

i dont listen to myths,like most other things its all a load shit,of course i know guys that work pups,bringing them on out in the field from a young age and go on to be very good lamping dogs,i know it can be done,and easily at that if you know what your doing, i also never said it would cause it to open up,just implied after reading another post that iv never had a yapper that was all

Edited March 18, 2010 by watchman

[kevin kiely 66]

you could bring em to land where there is rabbits and keep em on a slip,then in time slip him on a rabbit he might have a chance of.they use their brain more when out mooching

[zigzag dan 784]

I see this thread has turned into the usual - its my way or no way - that most things do on here so im signing off , but would just like to say , these dogs that only chase when you tell them that some of the superiour dogmen seem to have!!!, well i must have it wrong , as i would do yourselves a favour and trade him in !!!!

[romany52 313]

I see this thread has turned into the usual - its my way or no way - that most things do on here so im signing off , but would just like to say , these dogs that only chase when you tell them that some of the superiour dogmen seem to have!!!, well i must have it wrong , as i would do yourselves a favour and trade him in !!!!

 

I rest my case.

[romany52 313]

I see this thread has turned into the usual - its my way or no way - that most things do on here so im signing off , but would just like to say , these dogs that only chase when you tell them that some of the superiour dogmen seem to have!!!, well i must have it wrong , as i would do yourselves a favour and trade him in !!!!

 

I've heard this said so many times, always by folk who can't train a dog.

[snap 15]

Going to start a young dog next season on his own, he's done feck all yet, hasn't seen anything, recall is good, retrieve is bang on, basic manners are tip top, he will be used for the lamp,mostly, by the time he starts he will be in good shape physically i hope, he will have the ground work covered by then ,gates, wire, livestock etc,,My question is, Does he need to see a rabbit between now and the first rabbit he catch's next season..given that ,he's a lurcher and the rabbit is a small furry mammal which he will chase, The chase and strike are his department so cant help him there..droppers are pointless too , im banking he doesn't need to see one..

as i said on my other post casso,do what you are planning.

he will see plenty of rabbits when he starts work.

theres too many big deal oneals on this site and if you dont agree with them and there methods your not a proper dogman and you cant train a dog ffs.

alls the lad is asking should he let the pup chase a rabbit before it starts work when its older and imo it dosent need too.

hes not saying shall i lock it up and do no mooching etc.

people on this forum make feckin mountains out of mole hills.

[watchman 256]

Going to start a young dog next season on his own, he's done feck all yet, hasn't seen anything, recall is good, retrieve is bang on, basic manners are tip top, he will be used for the lamp,mostly, by the time he starts he will be in good shape physically i hope, he will have the ground work covered by then ,gates, wire, livestock etc,,My question is, Does he need to see a rabbit between now and the first rabbit he catch's next season..given that ,he's a lurcher and the rabbit is a small furry mammal which he will chase, The chase and strike are his department so cant help him there..droppers are pointless too , im banking he doesn't need to see one..

as i said on my other post casso,do what you are planning.

he will see plenty of rabbits when he starts work.

theres too many big deal oneals on this site and if you dont agree with them and there methods your not a proper dogman and you cant train a dog ffs.

alls the lad is asking should he let the pup chase a rabbit before it starts work when its older and imo it dosent need too.

hes not saying shall i lock it up and do no mooching etc.

people on this forum make feckin mountains out of mole hills.

well said mate,here ends the lesson