advice when feeding meat

[runforyourlife 361]

Bolocks! watch how the alpha puts the under dogs in there place, it bites them!! Your pup doesnt have a pack to play with, it needs a leader! How many growling pups have you actually had, and you lurcher gurl?

 

Without getting into too many details, I had a wolf x - the genuine real deal, from a Native Reserve. If you think your lurchers have a pack mentality try living with one of them! She was all about body language and looks. She was not scruffed as a youngster. She came from a large pack of dogs who ran wild and hunted for their food, and was full of growly behaviour.

 

My lurcher bitch growled a bit when she first got here. So I taught her there was no need for it.

 

The whippet did the same thing, as he was also a pup when he arrived. Taught him too.

 

Haven't scruffed either of them.

 

 

Well all ican say lurcher girl, is that you have been very unlucky with your pups, to have had that many with the problem....

[lurchergrrl 1,441]

That's just it tho RFYL - it's not a problem! It's normal behaviour that a lot of pups display and really nothing at all to get worked up about. My Golden never did it. My first lurcher never did it. My boxer never did it. My cocker never did it. Some dogs do, some dogs don't.

 

I just think it's really nothing to get in a flap over with a young dog.

[skycat 6,174]

this is quite simple really leave the dog be to eat its food and learn your children the same ,why does the dog have to be irritated while eating its grub

 

Well what if it finds a rotting animal in the field, you would stand back and let it eat it! no i think not but hey, you havent taught it not to growl at you and snap at you! think about it..

 

That's hardly the same thing at all: mine often find rotting rabbits when there's myxie about: I just tell them to leave it: of course young pups want to pick them up and run around with them: that's normal puppy behaviour, but as I have played with and interacted with my pups from an early age they respond immediately if I shout NO at them: that's a word all pups should learn from an early age, but it doesn't mean that you have to get violent about it.

 

If you really are the pack leader then a stern voice is enough: similar to the stern 'voice' a wild dog or wolf would use to tell off youngsters that are overstepping the mark: it is very seldom that an adult dog, domesticated or wild will actually need to use its teeth on a pup. A mighty snarl does the trick 9 times out of 10, and before you say what about the other 1 times out of 10, then I'd agree, there are very occasionally pups who need firmer treatment, and once again I copy what the adult wild dog would do: put its jaws (I use a hand! ) to cover the pup's head and snarl at it with an open mouth. There is no violence or pain involved to the pup, just putting the respect needed into its wee brain.

[littlefish 596]

I feel it is important to be able to take a dog's food/toys etc away. My terriers sometimes skirmish between themselves over food but i would be horrified if they ever growled at me. I feel scruffing does not need to be violent but a sharp verbal at the dog when necessary soon puts them in their place. It might be a good idea to train your dog to sit and wait until the bowl is set down and then give it permission to eat. This would involve reinforcing obedience(sit and leave), but no harm in that. The dog should respect you and best to sort it while it is young. Good luck.

[runforyourlife 361]

A dog sitting does not mean a dog doesnt grawl!!! And snap ! So tell me people what do you do when your dog goes for a sheep/livestock if you wont scruff. You probarbly dont know, because you stay away from them. Thats not hunting, thats being over caution, and ruining an animals hunt, or the people who are out hunting with you.... As you lurcher is kept on the lead, or you have to walk around many good looking fields...

[sue 1]

when they are a young pup keep them on a lead through livestock,and if they turn to go for them a quick sharp pull back and a stern no ,its all training and building up trust you have between your dog ,ive never had any problems with my dogs being agressive anyone can touch them while they are eating because they know that nobodies interested in their food ,plus they also have their own space where nobody bothers them

[jenksi87 3]

when they are a young pup keep them on a lead through livestock,and if they turn to go for them a quick sharp pull back and a stern no ,its all training and building up trust you have between your dog ,ive never had any problems with my dogs being agressive anyone can touch them while they are eating because they know that nobodies interested in their food ,plus they also have their own space where nobody bothers them

 

exactly the same as scruffin. nobody is saying you have to throw the dog about but to make it understand that it cannot be done. this is what animals do with each other and this is how they learn and begin to understand boundaries and rights fro wrongs

[littlefish 596]

A dog sitting does not mean a dog doesnt grawl!!! And snap ! So tell me people what do you do when your dog goes for a sheep/livestock if you wont scruff. You probarbly dont know, because you stay away from them. Thats not hunting, thats being over caution, and ruining an animals hunt, or the people who are out hunting with you.... As you lurcher is kept on the lead, or you have to walk around many good looking fields...

 

 

If that reply is aimed at my post above, read again. Demanding a dog to sit and wait teaches them to show respect, not thier teeth, when food is about. It is a simple method that can be used everyday to encourage a dog to develop manners that will stand it in good stead in life, especially if life involves coming into contact with children, as the original posters obviously does. I did not speak out against scruffing a dog, i said that it does not need to be violent to be effective..........my terriers often feel the grip and are no worse off for it.

[runforyourlife 361]

when they are a young pup keep them on a lead through livestock,and if they turn to go for them a quick sharp pull back and a stern no ,its all training and building up trust you have between your dog ,ive never had any problems with my dogs being agressive anyone can touch them while they are eating because they know that nobodies interested in their food ,plus they also have their own space where nobody bothers them

 

Lol,, you pull on a lead of a 28" bullx and watch what it does!(f.. all) Believe me love, you need to be on top were livestock are concerned!!

[skycat 6,174]

A dog sitting does not mean a dog doesnt grawl!!! And snap ! So tell me people what do you do when your dog goes for a sheep/livestock if you wont scruff. You probarbly dont know, because you stay away from them. Thats not hunting, thats being over caution, and ruining an animals hunt, or the people who are out hunting with you.... As you lurcher is kept on the lead, or you have to walk around many good looking fields...

 

 

I thought the original discussion was about pups growling over food: going after an animal they are not allowed to is completely different, and even the best trained and socialised pups will go through a dodgy stage when they start feeling their feet and doing a Kevin and Perry on you.

 

Being violent to a tiny pup is out of order, but doing the necessary to a big teenage pup that is taking the p*ss is a totally different scenario, and going after livestock is something that demands the strongest type of correction IMO. But I've only ever hit a dog with a lead rope: use anything hard and if you lose your rag with the dog you can break something: hitting with sticks is a no-no IMO. Likewise kicking a dog: easy to break ribs etc if your'e a big strong bloke.

 

I've not had bull crosses, but some Collie crosses can be devils for livestock and I favour the scruff it, floor it on its back and hold it down doing the human equivalent of getting a throat hold and growling savagely. If your dog respects you under normal circumstances it will understand that this is serious punishment: but if your dog normally ignores your commands then it might well try and bite you if it is a feisty, spirited type of dog.

[runforyourlife 361]

A dog sitting does not mean a dog doesnt grawl!!! And snap ! So tell me people what do you do when your dog goes for a sheep/livestock if you wont scruff. You probarbly dont know, because you stay away from them. Thats not hunting, thats being over caution, and ruining an animals hunt, or the people who are out hunting with you.... As you lurcher is kept on the lead, or you have to walk around many good looking fields...

 

 

I thought the original discussion was about pups growling over food: going after an animal they are not allowed to is completely different, and even the best trained and socialised pups will go through a dodgy stage when they start feeling their feet and doing a Kevin and Perry on you.

 

Being violent to a tiny pup is out of order, but doing the necessary to a big teenage pup that is taking the p*ss is a totally different scenario, and going after livestock is something that demands the strongest type of correction IMO. But I've only ever hit a dog with a lead rope: use anything hard and if you lose your rag with the dog you can break something: hitting with sticks is a no-no IMO. Likewise kicking a dog: easy to break ribs etc if your'e a big strong bloke.

 

I've not had bull crosses, but some Collie crosses can be devils for livestock and I favour the scruff it, floor it on its back and hold it down doing the human equivalent of getting a throat hold and growling savagely. If your dog respects you under normal circumstances it will understand that this is serious punishment: but if your dog normally ignores your commands then it might well try and bite you if it is a feisty, spirited type of dog.

 

 

 

It was about the pup eating, if you had read on there was aquestion asked about livestock... Your just repeating everything that we have said, except no noe said be violent to a pup!!!

[nobjerk 161]

it does have a wright thats correct but when she is older and at a working age how will i gat a rabbit of her if she trys to take my hand of every time. it need rules and cotrol ...my family had a dog for years and we all new dont go near her when she has a bone. it should not be like that

 

well said , a dog should always be subordinate to all humans in its pack . if in a pack situation the dog would have to wait until the alpha lets it feed , if your dog is guarding food from you it obviously sees you as lower in the rank or is trying to better its status by pushing you to see how easy you are . if you dont nip this in the bud it will cost the dog its life when you have to put it to sleep for biting or worse. scruff and a scolding while you still have control, as an adult bullx is a daunting animal to have a battle of wills with. sod the bond if the dog has no respect for you there is no bond!!

[6pack 60]

So many stone age bullies

Teaching a dog to retrieve is completely different then forcing it to guard its food.

There's a fine line between dominate and domineering.

[jenksi87 3]

So many stone age bullies

Teaching a dog to retrieve is completely different then forcing it to guard its food.

There's a fine line between dominate and domineering.

 

if this is your approach to dogs mate then you are an accident waiting to happen and i fear that sooner or later a dog will be put down because you did not teach it respect and ranking because you didnt want to hurt its feelings. this is no attitude to have. as stated a dog with a lower role in the pack has to accept that it eats when it is allowed to by the pack leader. without sounding funny i would say keep this kind of advise to yourself otherwise there will be a lot more stories of bad owners ruining good dogs

[6pack 60]

So many stone age bullies

Teaching a dog to retrieve is completely different then forcing it to guard its food.

There's a fine line between dominate and domineering.

 

if this is your approach to dogs mate then you are an accident waiting to happen and i fear that sooner or later a dog will be put down because you did not teach it respect and ranking because you didnt want to hurt its feelings. this is no attitude to have. as stated a dog with a lower role in the pack has to accept that it eats when it is allowed to by the pack leader. without sounding funny i would say keep this kind of advise to yourself otherwise there will be a lot more stories of bad owners ruining good dogs

 

ohhhhh, you are so sadly mistaken. I feel for you.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and think the best advice to give is to cause fear and confusion, by insisting on an action that a dog doesn't understand.

Go back to your dated books and methods