F**K OFF

[bignoel 14]

my pal had a dispite with his father inlaw told him where to get off and within the hour his guns were gone first he had a letter handed to him about threatening behaviour and 2 mins later FAO at the door with 2 gunslips guns gone he has 21 days to appeal and his new rifle is about to arrive tikka t3 hunter this is his 2nd time in 15yrs it has happend .my fao says he can say goodbye to it now ????

[dicehorn 38]

my pal had a dispite with his father inlaw told him where to get off and within the hour his guns were gone first he had a letter handed to him about threatening behaviour and 2 mins later FAO at the door with 2 gunslips guns gone he has 21 days to appeal and his new rifle is about to arrive tikka t3 hunter this is his 2nd time in 15yrs it has happend .my fao says he can say goodbye to it now ????

 

Naturally sorry to hear this, but by the same taken not surprised.

 

Your FAO is probably right regarding this matter. It is a sobering fact that shotgun/FAC holders are very vunerable to this sort of thing. Any sort of aggresive behaviour within their immediate family or towards members of the public whether carrying firearms or not that is reported to the police by the individual concerned or even by the neighbour will get this response from the police. The police have to be pro active in these circumstances - even if there is (as perhaps in this case) a dispute of actually what was said by either party

 

For us that value our freedom to be able to carry a firearm we all have to become cowards with the inbuilt neccesity of being able to walk away - humbling I know but this is the sacrifice we have to endure to enjoy our sport.

 

Peter

[riohog 5,939]

sad ive heard of a few cases like this im affraid any excuse to remove your firearms todayand the police will do it

 

 

just the meer hint of agresive behavour and ther gone! and stay gone.

[The one 8,587]

Aye i heard of a guy that sent his 15 year old to bed when she came in drunk and she went to the police saying he slapped her ,they lifted his guns for 3 years she went back to the police when she sobbered up and said it was a lie and she got done for wasting police time he didn't get his guns back

[Mr_Logic 5]

Makes me hate Britain - oh yes, you enjoy a hobby, therefore you lose any right to defend yourself, or argue with anyone. It's absolutely, utterly, totally wrong. Every single family I have ever heard of has arguments, and people show aggression and shout at each other. There's no way round that, it comes with living in a house together!

 

Shouting at someone doesn't mean you want to shoot them, or that you're unfit to hold a firearm.

 

Evil fascist state...

[Sterry 0]

Makes me hate Britain - oh yes, you enjoy a hobby, therefore you lose any right to defend yourself, or argue with anyone. It's absolutely, utterly, totally wrong. Every single family I have ever heard of has arguments, and people show aggression and shout at each other. There's no way round that, it comes with living in a house together!

 

Shouting at someone doesn't mean you want to shoot them, or that you're unfit to hold a firearm.

 

Evil fascist state...

 

 

I agree with you there, for ever walking on egg shells, one lad i know had his scg tacken away because he went out one night and his girlfriend rceived some pretty derogaratory comments so, whilst standing up for her the guys went for him and beat several shade out of him as well as putting a knife in him, but as he was seem walkin up to them it was seen to be him being agressive.

[artic 595]

Blame the twats who abused their tickets and killed inocent people!

 

Tougher rules need to be added to firearms and shotgun certs.

 

Do all people who apply really need a firearm/Shotgun?

 

Its good they get taken away, hopefully a lesson is learnt.

 

In this case it hasn't, yes its not nice, but thats what you sign up for and the FAO should explain the risks to you on appointment.

Edited May 26, 2009 by artic

[Sterry 0]

Not denying that the rules need to strict, but i dont think anyone has a problem with having strict rules as long as they are applied fairly. For instane the lad in my post asked them to stop and get back in line, and yes he did really need his scg as he was the gamekeepers son and would regulary help out.

[riohog 5,939]

Blame the twats who abused their tickets and killed inocent people!

 

Tougher rules need to be added to firearms and shotgun certs.

 

Do all people who apply really need a firearm/Shotgun?

 

Its good they get taken away, hopefully a lesson is learnt.

 

In this case it hasn't, yes its not nice, but thats what you sign up for and the FAO should explain the risks to you on appointment.

 

o well there is far more people killed with cars in the uk than people killed with legally held firearms

 

so its a bloody good job they dont yake cars of people for the same reasons not many would be driving i suppose ypu willsay thats a good thing to

[artic 595]

Blame the twats who abused their tickets and killed inocent people!

 

Tougher rules need to be added to firearms and shotgun certs.

 

Do all people who apply really need a firearm/Shotgun?

 

Its good they get taken away, hopefully a lesson is learnt.

 

In this case it hasn't, yes its not nice, but thats what you sign up for and the FAO should explain the risks to you on appointment.

 

o well there is far more people killed with cars in the uk than people killed with legally held firearms

 

so its a bloody good job they dont yake cars of people for the same reasons not many would be driving i suppose ypu willsay thats a good thing to

 

Thats the trouble, where do we stop Riohog?

 

Drugs kill, drink kills. knives kill...........

[Malt 379]

It would be laughable if it wasn't so wrong. Did they remove all the kitchen knifes from the draws in the kitchen? All the sharp implements from the shed?

 

Yes a gun is a weapon that could be used, but so could a lot of other things. If someone was intent on causing another person harm, there are far more accessible weapons that could be used.

 

Why do they think that you're going to head for the gun cabinet every time you have a heated argument? Is it because if you hold a gun license, you suddenly become mentally unstable?

 

 

Assholes...

[riohog 5,939]

Blame the twats who abused their tickets and killed inocent people!

 

Tougher rules need to be added to firearms and shotgun certs.

 

Do all people who apply really need a firearm/Shotgun?

 

Its good they get taken away, hopefully a lesson is learnt.

 

In this case it hasn't, yes its not nice, but thats what you sign up for and the FAO should explain the risks to you on appointment.

 

o well there is far more people killed with cars in the uk than people killed with legally held firearms

 

so its a bloody good job they dont yake cars of people for the same reasons not many would be driving i suppose ypu willsay thats a good thing to

 

Thats the trouble, where do we stop Riohog?

 

Drugs kill, drink kills. knives kill...........

education ! trouble is not everybody is prepared to listen

[artic 595]

It would be laughable if it wasn't so wrong. Did they remove all the kitchen knifes from the draws in the kitchen? All the sharp implements from the shed?

 

Yes a gun is a weapon that could be used, but so could a lot of other things. If someone was intent on causing another person harm, there are far more accessible weapons that could be used.

 

Why do they think that you're going to head for the gun cabinet every time you have a heated argument? Is it because if you hold a gun license, you suddenly become mentally unstable?

 

 

Assholes...

 

It makes me laugh how many people suck up to the FAO's yes sir no sir and hopeing to gain a cert to shoot a couple of rabbits.

 

Then they disagree with the law, spit their dummies out when they do wrong and have their guns taken away!

 

Rules are rules. They are explained to you, so abide by them. If your a fighter after a few stella's, short tempered, a wife or partner that calls the police each time you say "BOO" to each other then id advise you not to apply for any cert.

 

Edited May 26, 2009 by artic

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Edited May 26, 2009 by Chip

[Mr_Logic 5]

It would be laughable if it wasn't so wrong. Did they remove all the kitchen knifes from the draws in the kitchen? All the sharp implements from the shed?

 

Yes a gun is a weapon that could be used, but so could a lot of other things. If someone was intent on causing another person harm, there are far more accessible weapons that could be used.

 

Why do they think that you're going to head for the gun cabinet every time you have a heated argument? Is it because if you hold a gun license, you suddenly become mentally unstable?

 

 

Assholes...

 

It makes me laugh how many people suck up to the FAO's yes sir no sir and hopeing to gain a cert to shoot a couple of rabbits.

 

Then they disagree with the law, spit their dummies out when they do wrong and have their guns taken away!

 

Rules are rules. They are explained to you, so abide by them. If your a fighter after a few stella's, short tempered, a wife or partner that calls the police each time you say "BOO" to each other then id advise you not to apply for any cert.

 

Rules AREN'T rules here, that's the point. Police make this up as they go along, that's fundamentally wrong. The limited right of appeal is also fundamentally wrong. The fact that, for shooters, you are guilty until proven innocent is UTTERLY wrong.

 

There are basic guidelines, but who makes them? The Government. Did anyone set this in a manifesto? Did we get to vote for it? Did we as a community even get any input into the 'rules'? No. That is a common theme, not just with firearms, and is what makes this country an elected dictatorship, and it's fundamentally wrong.