Cock on Paulus, it's not all about , what the heading on this thread says , common sence has to come first , and if you get the phone call ,and the numbers have increased to unacceptable, levels , then act up on that information , the farmer has given you , but then again if you know your perm you would act accordingly anyway, I'm sure you wouldn't sit on a warren for two weeks until feck all came out just to say , that done now we can move on, it's all about , keeping the number down to a level where it is totally under control, , and the land owner is happy , but always leave the young for