MickC
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Did anybody expect anything different ? Arum said when he signed Fury that he would get Fury known to the wider American audience with a couple of fights and then look to go back in for the Wilder rematch. That fight just shows the state of the current Heavyweight division tbh,Shwarz was the no2 ranked WBO fighter !
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For Burley to get the fight with Robinson he had to take a dive in the seventh iirc,he refused and never got the shot .The other stuff Burley had to put up with in his career as well was unreal.Cus D;mato was probabaly the most instrumental In getting the mob out of boxing and he paid a heavy price for it sometimes at the expense of the amateur Tyson at the time.Its in one of the Tyson books all about it and that's also a good read how Cus went about dealing with it all and kept his life tbh .
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The Charley burley book is a very good read and an eye opener,how corrupt the game was back then and how the blacks struggled to get fights unless with each other,especially if they where good. ? Probs the best book ive read about boxing tbh.Its called Charley Burley and the Black Murderers Row. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murderers'_Row_(boxing)
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The Foreman v Cooney fight was decent while it lasted,clinical finish as well.I always wonder why Foreman and Holmes never fought when they where both on the comeback trail ? That would have been a good fight to watch .
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I watched a documentary on Jones a few year back and he did indeed take notes from studying his birds.In the documentary he had a load of birds out on tie outs in a big field. Before the Hopkins rematch they where having a bit of back and forth and Hopkins threatened to call round and neck his birds. lol
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Mayweathers the biggest draw in America and nobody fills Las Vegas out like him but to get the fight with him you have to concede to everything.Mayweathers money making power has got him away with all sorts over the years from multiple failed tests to illegal use of iv drips,Ive said it before but he is the next Lance Armstrong ! He also avoided fights with these fighters In there prime to name a few Tszyu Williams Pacquiao Mosley Cotto . He clearly lost to Castillo but got the nod,he would only fight Hatton at welter and still dipped testing, he retired to get out of the ODH rematch,yet he s
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Exactly Gnash its all just our own opinions at the end of the day . ?
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I would have to watch it again Gnash, (been a good while now)but it was Hagler who pressed the fight, was never backed up and was punching with more authority. Obviously the judge that had it 118/110 bought into Leonards plan of stealing rounds by looking good in last 30 seconds of the round.We could go back and forth all night Gnash, even all the experts are still split over the decision all these years later . This a decent link about the fight which is also split over who won. https://www.ringtv.com/491719-hagler-leonard-debate-rages/
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Leonard refused the immediate rematch with Hagler so Hagler got sick of waiting and playing Leonards tune like he had done for years and retired.The loss took a heavy toll on Hagler and not long after the fight he moved to Italy where he still lives. Arum came in at a later date to try and persuade him to do the rematch but Hagler refused and insisted he was staying retired and done with boxing. The loss still affects him today .
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Yes Gnash I watched it back then and a few times since lol.Leonard had not fought for just under 3 years but had fought 4/5 fights behind closed doors in the build up to the Hagler fight,had Hagler known this I doubt he would have conceded everything to Leonard to get the fight made. Leonard was a smart clever man who used his popularity to get a lot of things in his favour for fights.Hagler did give away the first 3/4 rounds of the fight but Leonard knew this as he had even hired Compubox to get him the data from Haglers previous 5 fights which showed him to be a slow starter hence why Leonar
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Or Leonard arguably lost to all three, the Hearn rematch decision was a bad one ad was the Hagler decision imo. But hey its boxing and everybody see it differently .
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Heres a link about that fight and what happened between the late Ingle and Hamed . https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2006/may/14/boxing.comment
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Jones had some A+ god given talent,speed,reflexes,ability and boxing iq he really was top drawer . Toney Hopkins Griffin Malinga Mcallum Grant Hill Tate Gonzalez he beat them with ease.Ruiz may not have been the best of Heavyweights but it still was an achievement considering Jones started out at Middleweight.
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Out of them all Hagler Leonard Hearns Duran it was Hagler who had the best record and only lost to one of them controversially. When debating/comparing these four fighters you realise how poor todays boxing really is.
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Calzaghe v Lacy was a boxing master class,this is the fight that caught America's attention.Calzaghe beat an old faded Jones who still managed to put him over in the first round. Jones was told by so many top people In the fight game to retire after he beat Ruiz for the WBA Heavyweight belt as his body would never be the same again but he could not walk away from boxing and the rest is history. Calzaghe was good but Jones was on another level,just look at all the top HOF fighters who Jones fought and beat in all the different divisions,I honestly don't think that a prime/pre Heavyweight Jones
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Come on Gnash over 30 warnings from ref Steele in the first fight for holding and not even a point taken ! Two of the judges had it either way 115/113 but the other judge had it 118/110 ! It was Hagler who pushed for the immediate rematch but he got sick of waiting after playing Leonards silly games for years to get the first fight.Hagler took the loss very bad and left America and moved to Italy where he still lives. Hagler had a deep resentment for Leonard from them turning pro,Hagler got $50 for his first fight and Leonard $50.000 as he was the golden boy of American boxing after Ali,Hagler
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Even by Gatti,s own standards his fights with Ward where legendary,every time Gatti fought he gave it everything, a shame how it all ended for Gatti .
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All the books are very good by Hagler Hearn Leonard. Hagler is my favourite fighter and I still dont accept it that Leonard beat him but he did get the decision. Over 30 warnings for holding though and Leonard never lost a single point !! Leonard had said while commentating at the Mugabi fight “I think I can beat him now” so made the fight after Hagler had tried to get the Leonard fight for years and then after they fought Leonard refused him the rematch. When Leonard rematched Hearns, Hagler said you need to ko him to get a draw, Hearns should have won bit it was indeed a draw. The loss to
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Another good watch on Youtube is Top 5 Larry Holmes Knockouts . Holmes had everything and his chin and recovery powers are right up there with Ali .
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Im Offshore at moment so cant post a Youtube link but that Ali v Foreman fight is good,Ring Magazine fight of the year 1974 but nothing compared to the Lyle v Foreman fight .We all know Foremans pedigree but Ron Lyle was a gang member and jailed at 19 for 15-25 years for a second degree murder.He learned to box in jail and lost his first fight but never lost another prison boxing match again ! After a brief amateur career and boxing for USBA he turned pro at 30 !! but was still a formidable opponent for anybody in arguably the greatest era in Heavyweight Boxing. Who knows what he could have a
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I would say you could also add poor stamina,predictability, poor head movement and not using his natural attributes to that list also Ray. Joshua also tires drastically when hes knocked down, he does get up but look at the difference when Ruiz got dropped to when Joshua went over. Ruiz got up guns blazing the complete opposite of Joshua . Joshua has also never improved under Mcracken a change is needed imo but only he can make that call however it was clear to see the lack of a game plan and Joshua had no answer to Ruiz’s style .
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This thread has now gone the same way as all the other Joshua Fury Wilder threads on here. They all just end up going round and round repeating all the same stuff. Been a popular subject on here tbh with a lot of good debate and posts .
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Its hard to believe but Boxers/Athletes can apply for a TUE which is an exemption for the use and administration of otherwise banned substances. Miller accused Joshua of having used TUE in the past for Testosterone and now Whyte also mentions about it in his clip. Mayweather has used them for years .
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Its early days yet and I know Hearn has triggered the rematch clause and the rematch is contractualy agreed but this will still have to be negotiated and agreed to by the Sanctioning bodies so that leaves room for Haymon to step in and try and get the best deal for Ruiz or it may mean not all the belts on the line.Hard one to call tbh no way does Joshua out work or out fight Ruiz hes simply not capable of doing it imo. If Hearn gets his way and the rematch is in UK then it suits Joshua a lot better but I still think he would need to stop Ruiz to beat him, If Haymon gets his way and the rematch
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Joshua got knocked down four times in his fight with Ruiz jnr,once for each belt ! (stolen from another forum )
