haha no seriously i hear the phrase ,,,no wonder thers so much shit about ,,,,like headz just said ,,,,, all the time and whuld like to no how you test your bulls before lining your bitches its honest question mate my freind has a red nose and its the athletic type real nice dog i have often thought it whuld turn out handy pups put to my freinds collie whippet but how whuld you no if he was of use or inferior ?