Cheers lads, thought long and hard before I parted with my hard earned wonga, but decided to just buy it and find out for myself what they are like, and time will tell, air wolf tactical fitted with a hugget shroud and silencer, in .22, I mounted my hawke scope on it & pellet on pellet within a few clicks , 1 down side I have at the moment is it seems low on power, 10.7 shooting falcon accuracy plus, very similar shooting jsb jumbos - I will get it out in the fields this weekend and put it to good use .