if ya after a good catty then go on youtube and type in gamekeeper catapults and veiw all johns vids he makes the gamekeeper range. i have three of his cattys and all i can say is wow. top quality,most powerfull catty iv ever shot. always come out with me and my lurcher with a spare pair of bands and a pocket off 12mm lead balls. had bag fulls of pids,squizzers,crows and the odd duck and other bits n bobs. used to go out 3 times a day but its a shame i cant do that anymore due to work commitments. another man who makes and sells them is (ROB) spike25blue on here i have a egro side shooter of h