Ye four key ingredients to a good working dog..recall,stock break,retrieve and jumping..recall being the number one, the other three when ever, younger the better for stock breaking mind lol cats, f**k cats..you only ever see them in the streets, an its never off the lead in the streets, a load of nasty roads an Dick edd drivers. Not worth the risk..although my bitch does sit and lie..but doesn't sit on hard ground..she sits, then lies half the time..aslong as she knows I'm boss who cares haha good thread