ok lads, I was kindly being gifted a pup from chicken man, the bitches owner being drebz87 a member of this forum, thing is, the bitch is 17 inches, sire 21, I have spoken last night to chicken man last night to cancel, reason being I reckon the pups would make at best 18 to 19 inches, he was, as was drebz very understanding and thanks to both of you for that, and all the best to mum n pups when they arrive, but my next dog needs to be, around the 22 23 inch range, I like the beddy greyhound type of dog, or wheaton cross, I was out with my dog yesterday 4hrs plus none stop walking , and noti