Thanks for the replies, just been down my local gunshop and they said they were a bag of sh1t. But then went on to try and sell me an old remington for the same money as a new escort.From what you have all said they seem like a good gun for knocking about and with a 3 yr warranty i cant really complain. Best get doin a few weekends at work to pay for it. cheers guys atb Tubba