yes this is all very well and i agree but we are missing the point.....everyone knows what goes off in the hunting world..yet members are asked/told not to say this/not to say that because its banned. so it seems to me we are saying one thing and doing another ..are we just kidding ourselfs everything will turn out ok.. its all words in the street by the ordinary layman. afterall prostitution,drugs,speeding,shoplifting,pissing in the street. are all banned yet it goes on everyday.......[love thy neighbour but dont get caught]..