fair comment mate but not really into the heavy type bull x no more just not got the need for them now days and as for gifting the pup iv done the same myself couple times,one the same reason as you,got a pup in as a back up for an adult bitch i bought in last year but the lad was true to his word and she is a half decent bitch so pup went to a lad on here, the other just to set the record straight for the couple snide comments was a dh/grey dog pup,lad been on at me for years to start taking him out so i gifted him the pup to bring on and get him started