after reading gaz,s topic as above,just wanted to tell a story to try and explain what i think he,s asking, as a teenager my girlfriend used to hunt with the brockelsby hunt and her farther and i used to follow in the land rover on one accasion the hounds got on a fox and it give them a fantastic hunt over fields across ditches,woods even through a farm yard,and finally when the fox was tirering it managed to climb up a fallen tree,the hounds were going mad underneath it it could of easy been climbed to or shot,but after 2or 3 minutes the huntsman looked at the fox and with the help from the w