Your probably right M but theres that many nuisance fish In this lake infact all the pools on this fishery. You can chuck in a big peice of meat and they will just keep picking It away and you usually end up fowl hooking one. Boilies are the only thing they don't go for yet still hoover up the ground mix and suspended. The fella said the enviroment agency were coming to catch them up just leaving the bigger carp, tench,roach, rudd etc in. Wasn't you was It The flavourings on that ebay shop seem to be a good price so I'll probably just get a couple off there and see how I get on.