Logun S16s....Despite all the bad press regarding the earlier models ( leaking, seals, jamming etc ) I tried one of these out and decided to buy one and I can tell you I have'nt had one bit of bother with it and it's had some pellets through it and many a full game bag when I've come home. There seems to still be a lot of stigma attatched to these rifles and many people voice opinions on these rifles without actually owning/shooting one, all I can say is get hold of the mark II version ( shrouded ) and give it a try and see what you think, Good points = shot capacity, won't rust if you get it