Cheers millet i thought that would be the case, my bitch got bitten once on her second outing and never again, as you say she shakes them until there back is broken, it hasnt made her any lees keener for the job though, she is always first in on them and misses next to nothing, sometimes i close my eyes when she throws herself into some large object at the last minute just to make a catch, you just know it had to hurt shes never dropped one once caught, but she didnt like it when she did get bit she chewed on the bugger for 10 minutes but she has an amazing knack of cacthing them, once shes