Blackbriar 8,568 Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 1 minute ago, walshie said: Too true. At least I'm not in the same square as the SNP like some are. Despite the fact that I'm a staunch Unionist ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 19,389 Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 I will do the test later but one thing that strikes me immediately is it assumes the centre lines are fixed but that's not true especially in today's world. it's known as the Overton window. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,638 Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, kanny said: I will do the test later but one thing that strikes me immediately is it assumes the centre lines are fixed but that's not true especially in today's world. it's known as the Overton window. Good point. A liberal or conservative in the 21stC is not the same as a liberal or conservative from the 18thC for example. Though I do think the question subjects were relevant for today's politics. For instance I don't recall a question on the rights of slave owners or the minimum wage of child prostitutes! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 I done it they sent a message saying "The police want a word with you" lol 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ted Newgent 4,896 Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 that was fun Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,973 Posted April 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 5 hours ago, Blackbriar said: Congratulations on having all your info hacked by the Russians, CJ ! It wouldn't take a THL hack for anyone to guess my political allegiance! 4 hours ago, Born Hunter said: The problem I have with the accuracy of that test is that it asks you questions on your personal beliefs, not so much your political. It doesn't really differentiate, assuming that if for instance you don't like something then you would want to ban it. I reckon it'll put you in the right quadrant at least though. True but for a lot of issues that line is pretty blurred. Do you think the test was inaccurate? I reckoned my result was spot on. 4 hours ago, Blackbriar said: I found some of the questions difficult to answer. It should have "neither agree not disagree"..............some of the issues, I only slightly lean one way or the other. True but it forces you to commit to an answer. 6 pages of neither agree nor disagree would be terribly British! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,638 Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, ChrisJones said: True but for a lot of issues that line is pretty blurred. Do you think the test was inaccurate? I reckoned my result was spot on. I'd have pushed myself further south than the test did. Perhaps a nudge right too but not so much. I know what questions pushed me towards the centre but I answered the actual question rather than what my political feeling was on the subject. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,973 Posted April 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: I'd have pushed myself further south than the test did. Perhaps a nudge right too but not so much. I know what questions pushed me towards the centre but I answered the actual question rather than what my political feeling was on the subject. Fair one. If it's any consolation we're lower down the liberty axis than Gary Johnson and Milton Friedman! If you look through the FAQ's on the site they do have some reasoning behind the questions and formatting and taking a complete tangent I found this chart on the EU quite poignant. They've analyzed the manifestos, speeches, etc and run it through. Again I think it's quite accurate. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,638 Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ChrisJones said: Fair one. If it's any consolation we're lower down the liberty axis than Gary Johnson and Milton Friedman! If you look through the FAQ's on the site they do have some reasoning behind the questions and formatting and taking a complete tangent I found this chart on the EU quite poignant. They've analyzed the manifestos, speeches, etc and run it through. Again I think it's quite accurate. See, economically I'd put myself to the right of the UK! LOL. Shit, I don't believe there should be minimum wage, interest limits for pay day loans and ideologically at least I would bin corporation tax entirely! I consider 'tax havens' a good thing ffs.... as in the UK should be one! Even the Tories would reckon I'm a extremist! But I'm apparently well left of them? Does the scale wrap around? Have I shot of the end and started lapping everyone? Edited April 16, 2018 by Born Hunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,973 Posted April 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: See, economically I'd put myself to the right of the UK! LOL. Shit, I don't believe there should be minimum wage, interest limits for pay day loans and ideologically at least I would bin corporation tax entirely! I consider 'tax havens' a good thing ffs.... as in the UK should be one! Even the Tories would reckon I'm a extremist! But I'm apparently well left of them? Does the scale wrap around? Have I shot of the end and started lapping everyone? That goes off what they have on paper. Not necessarily how it plays out in the real world. I think the Tories would gut the NHS in a heartbeat but true politics is that they'll never say that because it's political suicide in the UK. Manifestos are one thing but actual policy is often quite a way off. The difference is that you're willing to say that out loud and I'm sure that any anonymous MP taking that test will come in much closer to the authoritarian and lean closer to the fiscal centre. Think of a situation where you're with people you may not know very well, or have just met. When politics lands into the conversation do you open with your views on the NHS or do you gauge the reaction of your audience? It would be the same here talking about gun control, or limiting freedom of speech. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,638 Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 1 minute ago, ChrisJones said: Think of a situation where you're with people you may not know very well, or have just met. When politics lands into the conversation do you open with your views on the NHS or do you gauge the reaction of your audience? It would be the same here talking about gun control, or limiting freedom of speech. Well if my views are pertinent to the topic of discussion yeah I'll lay it out as I see it. I can't really be arsed with an argument though so if I think the others are inclined to get offended and lose their heads over it I'll consider the whole thing pointless. About a year ago I was sat down in a restaurant in Paris having a meal with a load of peers from all over Europe and America and the topic of Brexit came up. I kept out of it because I'm polite like that ........ well, until I felt it was all a bit one sided. That was a crack and shut everyone up fairly sharpish! "Oh shit, he's one of those b*****ds we've all just been slagging off" Dunno if that better answers your question? I get that there are ideological political positions and then more pragmatic ones. But I'd put myself at least on par with the Tories economically on either ideological or pragmatic grounds. Maybe there's some economic aspects I haven't considered. Maybe I'm just confused. I think the test is good, I've done it several times before. I just raise my eyebrow to where I am a bit on it relative to others. I'm the right quadrant at least I'd say. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,973 Posted April 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 1 hour ago, kanny said: I will do the test later but one thing that strikes me immediately is it assumes the centre lines are fixed but that's not true especially in today's world. it's known as the Overton window. As we've discussed on other threads it challenges the traditional left-right slant in that axis is one of economic scale. Left being stronger government control of influencing factors whereas the right is pure capitalism. Top to bottom is government power from total to anarchy. The Overton window attempts to define acceptability in modern government and I don't think it applies here as you're combining both axes for both perspectives. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,973 Posted April 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: Well if my views are pertinent to the topic of discussion yeah I'll lay it out as I see it. I can't really be arsed with an argument though so if I think the others are inclined to get offended and lose their heads over it I'll consider the whole thing pointless. About a year ago I was sat down in a restaurant in Paris having a meal with a load of peers from all over Europe and America and the topic of Brexit came up. I kept out of it because I'm polite like that ........ well, until I felt it was all a bit one sided. That was a crack and shut everyone up fairly sharpish! "Oh shit, he's one of those b*****ds we've all just been slagging off" Dunno if that better answers your question? That's a fair one. I'm quite happy to argue my corner but I'll gauge the audience. With some of my colleagues, the level of conversation is rarely above the quality of chicken nuggets from competing establishments and I've seriously considered pushing crayons up my nose to see if I can trigger some form of spasticity. The subject of race comes up occasionally in our head office and they're very interesting and surprisingly civilised until you realise that everyone is armed. An armed society is a polite society? Does that move me right or down? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,638 Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 FYI for anyone interested. Loads of stuff like this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,638 Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, ChrisJones said: As we've discussed on other threads it challenges the traditional left-right slant in that axis is one of economic scale. Left being stronger government control of influencing factors whereas the right is pure capitalism. Top to bottom is government power from total to anarchy. I think it's great for that and was enlightening for me when I first found it. I think this is the next level. Breaking politics down further into a few more key dimensions. Which of course could be broken down further. Bit like matter, atoms, subatomic, quarks, strings LOL! https://8values.github.io/ Economic; Socialism - Capitalism Diplomatic; Nationalism - Globalism State; Libertarianism - Totalitarianism Society; Traditional conservatism - Progressivism Mine; Edited April 16, 2018 by Born Hunter 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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