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Posted 30 April 2010 - 04:48 pm
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Posted 30 April 2010 - 05:03 pm
How can it be possible to certify someone as safe and competant over such a short period of time and then allow them out into the countryside with a high power rifle,As I have said before it is only a matter of time before there is a fatality as a result of stalking and I would put money on it that the culprit has DMQ certification.
I like youself have had to mop up the mess after poor shot placement but not by novices these were due to two stalkers that had thier DMQ 1 and were subsiquantly put off the permition when I was asked to take It on after the land owner found one dead and saw two wounded deer.... not a nice job.
Posted 30 April 2010 - 10:42 pm
Sorry Martin I cant agree, 1 thing is yes I stand to gain I dont argue with that.
BUT only this morning I had a chap out and he said he has shot a few deer but agrees hes still a novice.
He said his gun was zeroed 1 inch low at 100m's and that was as near as he could get it as he was down to his last 5 bullets. he only wanted 1 deer so that would be ample. http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...
I see these things everyday often from lads who should know better.
COMPULSORY testing has my vote all the way. http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub... http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...
With respect John,that has nothing to do with DSC1 or 2,and,if there should be some FAC training then it should be run by and subsidised by the government and the gunshops,and,it should be a basic safety course with the essentials that would make all users safe,and,wouldn't need to cost hundreds of pounds either.We all come across bad practice from all sorts of people and it isn't always the people one would expect either,I have witnessed some very poor decisions by holders of DSC1&2.I really don't have a problem with some sort of safety training that would help everyone,but,should it be mandatory....No! should it be cheap so everyone goes for it....Yes!
Posted 01 May 2010 - 08:48 am
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Posted 01 May 2010 - 09:28 am
A keeper I know has some of the best stalking in the country for Roe and has vast experience, yet he didn't do well at school and can't read or write well. What would happen if people like him were made to sit these tests???
Posted 01 May 2010 - 09:50 am
One thing i want to touch on is experience, i always turn a blind eye to "ive been doing it for 20 years, 30 years, 40 years". So what....how do you know you've been doing it right all along, who's to say your right. I find some people think they should get instant respect for being a stalker for 40 years, no...you earn it.
As for DSC 1 & 2, my views have always been the same, its rubbish, a complete waste of time and the only reason im actually doing my level 2 is because the estate is paying for it. Would i spend £100 on paperwork under normal circumstances, plus whatever other fees there are to consider,never.
I work with deer every day, in a farmed environment, a wild environment and a park environment. Ive met some really interesting people over the years, and taken many of them out. Hand on heart though, the worst have had the paperwork. One chap who is an accredited witness shot a 2 year old sika stag thinking it was a fallow sorrell, the next day he shot an axis female thinking it was a fallow...and he's out there passing his experience on to newcomers. Trust me, there are more stories and more people like this.
If anything, if they really wanted to make use of the paperwork and make it worthwhile they should have done it over a year and/or say 30 animals culled. at least then it shows your active and experienced which can be rewarded with a piece of paper.
My biggest fear is that there are guys out there, good guys, the Foxdroppers/Martins/mj Robsons of this world who have no interest in certificates but who can do the job and do it well, these guys will miss out on ground(if they wanted it that is)to people who have been stalking 3 months, read some books, had a few shots at deer and will probably go out maybe the odd weekend each month.
Its a system thats floored, end of.
Posted 01 May 2010 - 10:59 am
Easy answer is he will be pushed out of his job and stalking like the rest of us who are refusing to sit the test to make way for someone with less experiance and a piece of paper....simply we all have to fight this tooth and nail write to anyone that you can MP's and MSP's ,this is what I have been doing for months now remember to mention the lies that they were told by DCS about the fatalities that were not related in any way to stalking but wer mentioned to mislead the government and the people of scotland..lieing greedy gits
I have level 1 and was registered for level 2 but I never got round to doing it so the registration ran out about 2 years ago. http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub... I'll probably get round to doing it some time in the future.
A keeper I know has some of the best stalking in the country for Roe and has vast experience, yet he didn't do well at school and can't read or write well. What would happen if people like him were made to sit these tests??? http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...
Posted 01 May 2010 - 01:22 pm
"Easy answer is he will be pushed out of his job"
That would be a real shame if it ever came to this.
Here's a couple of the 7 medal heads he's had this week. He's got Talent that no piece of paper can replace! I've learned a lot from him in the last 5 years.
Posted 01 May 2010 - 03:27 pm
Question -If a lad has the dsc 1 and 2 and no previous experience is he eligible to take on a lease straight away from the forestry commision? .I think i know the answer but is it right for this to happen .Is following up a wounded animal part of the testing as it surely should be ,as should the need for a deer finding dog be covered or at least the use of one in such situations .The hands and knees locating of a wounded beast is daunted to experienced chaps without being thrown in the deepend as well .
No matter how you dress it up ,it will never take the place of time served .
Posted 01 May 2010 - 03:39 pm
I know its not best but its all I can do if in the 3 stalks a deer hasn't been wounded.
Other than deliberatly wounding 1 its not possible to know for sure.
A candidate could shoot 30 or 50 without a wounded beast a test is only as good as we can make it.
I do see where you are coming from but its all we have to go on.
Posted 01 May 2010 - 03:41 pm
That is so true.
I know of a guy who has DMQ 1 and is on course for obtaining DMQ 2. The guy couldnt hit a cows arse with a spade and has the grace of a fecking elephant whilst on a stalk.
I had him out once and I said never again.
The best lads I have seen are ones who are doing it frequently and getting numbers - not those with a ticket.
I think things are fine as they are - we dont need compulsary anything which will only benefit the privellaged few.
Edited by FightTheBan, 01 May 2010 - 03:42 pm.
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