Guest Catcher Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 i dont think you should ever stop with pest control. ive been told its to early to catch magpies, i mean come on if you can trap them then do it. as for foxes and all this out of season crap, if i can kill a vixen before she drops her pups it saves me time and saves on the vixen killing alot more wild nesting birds. and its now we should be hitting the foxes hard to save damage on are wild bird population but yet i still hear of guys who will not kill "out of season" in my opion it these people who dont understand the way the country side works and are just out to kill a animal. well there you go a can of worms opened. osimons89 I think that that is a slightly unfair comment. the country side has changed a lot over the years. Ther are far more land owners who are putting birds down for sport now. They are keen to protect their investment and rightly so. The shooting seasons were set a long time ago and the enviroment has changed. I believe that the seasons need to be re visited and reviewed much in the same way as braking distances in the highway code should be......................Unless you drive a 1952 series Land Rover in which case the distances should probably be increased! Just my view if your reading Catch! Swampy Ninging in a 1974 Lightweight SIII Your right as allways swampy.My god it must be great to be you. Have to go know mate work to do.atb catcher Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stealthy1 3,964 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 I think the phrase control of pests is a better way to look at things than total extermenation of pests. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 i dont think you should ever stop with pest control. ive been told its to early to catch magpies, i mean come on if you can trap them then do it. as for foxes and all this out of season crap, if i can kill a vixen before she drops her pups it saves me time and saves on the vixen killing alot more wild nesting birds. and its now we should be hitting the foxes hard to save damage on are wild bird population but yet i still hear of guys who will not kill "out of season" in my opion it these people who dont understand the way the country side works and are just out to kill a animal. well there you go a can of worms opened. osimons89 I think that that is a slightly unfair comment. the country side has changed a lot over the years. Ther are far more land owners who are putting birds down for sport now. They are keen to protect their investment and rightly so. The shooting seasons were set a long time ago and the enviroment has changed. I believe that the seasons need to be re visited and reviewed much in the same way as braking distances in the highway code should be......................Unless you drive a 1952 series Land Rover in which case the distances should probably be increased! Just my view if your reading Catch! Swampy Ninging in a 1974 Lightweight SIII Your right as allways swampy.My god it must be great to be you. Have to go know mate work to do.atb catcher You bugger.....! I shall never give up!!!! One day it'll all be mine I tell you ALL MINE!!!! Swampy Re baiting his ning in frustration! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
osimons89 0 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 (edited) Even if a estate is putting down large numbers of game birds for sport. i do not belive this should ever come first over the management of pests and habbitat managment for native speises. a good pest control plan in "season" or not will show large beifits to the next seasons sport as will a good habbit managment plan as the number of wild birds and birds left from the last seasons stock will be higher, and will have a better chance to breed young there for resulting in a higher number of adult birds on the ground the following season, there four resulting in more enviromentaly shoot with a larger number of native animals and nature not forgeting a higher persentage and a happy boss. i belive that if the benifits the shooting and hunting comuity make were showen more often and made more availble to the public then we would not be seen in such a bad light. osimons89 P.S. sorry about the spelling its getting late for me Edited April 2, 2009 by osimons89 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kevegg 0 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 I believe someone once said 'a weed is only a plant in the wrong place'. In my opinion it's the same for pests. Kev. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
osimons89 0 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 I believe someone once said 'a weed is only a plant in the wrong place'. In my opinion it's the same for pests. Kev. ill second that Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,960 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 In my opinion just because the government put certain species on the pest list doesnt mean that any one with a gun in their hand on their permission should shoot any of these species just because they are on the list. It is my opinion that the species named on the list are only on there because in certain areas they do alot of damage or exist in unaturally large numbers and therefore have to be controlled however this is not the case in every part of the country. For instance rabbits, in a lot of places in the country there are shite loads of the little destructive buggers and they do alot of damage, however in other areas there arnt many or they do no damage as there isnt any farmland (either arable or grazeing) so in that situation they arnt a pest. Its the same with all the species on the pest list with the exception of the non native species, such as the mink and grey squirrel to a name to 2 most well known. Jackdaws are on the pest list but i never even raise the gun to them as they do no more damage on my permissions than any of the other wildlife. However rabbits, pigeons, crows, magpies and squirrels always get it as they do do damage as all my permission is either on arable land or is keepered. This is getting dangerously close to the "killing for killing sake" and "pseudo pest control" argument. Or have I just taken some bait? Swampy Nervous Ning Dunno if youve taken bait or not pal, not sure what you mean. all i mean is just because its on the official pest list dont mean its neccessarily a pest on your/my permissions. As for killing for killing sake, what some may call hunting for sport, thats another matter, i was talking purely about pest control. And if you dont mind me asking, what the hell does 'ning' mean? lol, and why a nervous ning? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
micky 3,325 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 In my opinion just because the government put certain species on the pest list doesnt mean that any one with a gun in their hand on their permission should shoot any of these species just because they are on the list. It is my opinion that the species named on the list are only on there because in certain areas they do alot of damage or exist in unaturally large numbers and therefore have to be controlled however this is not the case in every part of the country. For instance rabbits, in a lot of places in the country there are shite loads of the little destructive buggers and they do alot of damage, however in other areas there arnt many or they do no damage as there isnt any farmland (either arable or grazeing) so in that situation they arnt a pest. Its the same with all the species on the pest list with the exception of the non native species, such as the mink and grey squirrel to a name to 2 most well known. Jackdaws are on the pest list but i never even raise the gun to them as they do no more damage on my permissions than any of the other wildlife. However rabbits, pigeons, crows, magpies and squirrels always get it as they do do damage as all my permission is either on arable land or is keepered. This is getting dangerously close to the "killing for killing sake" and "pseudo pest control" argument. Or have I just taken some bait? Swampy Nervous Ning Dunno if youve taken bait or not pal, not sure what you mean. all i mean is just because its on the official pest list dont mean its neccessarily a pest on your/my permissions. As for killing for killing sake, what some may call hunting for sport, thats another matter, i was talking purely about pest control. And if you dont mind me asking, what the hell does 'ning' mean? lol, and why a nervous ning? NING MEANS HES POTTY Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,960 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 (edited) In my opinion just because the government put certain species on the pest list doesnt mean that any one with a gun in their hand on their permission should shoot any of these species just because they are on the list. It is my opinion that the species named on the list are only on there because in certain areas they do alot of damage or exist in unaturally large numbers and therefore have to be controlled however this is not the case in every part of the country. For instance rabbits, in a lot of places in the country there are shite loads of the little destructive buggers and they do alot of damage, however in other areas there arnt many or they do no damage as there isnt any farmland (either arable or grazeing) so in that situation they arnt a pest. Its the same with all the species on the pest list with the exception of the non native species, such as the mink and grey squirrel to a name to 2 most well known. Jackdaws are on the pest list but i never even raise the gun to them as they do no more damage on my permissions than any of the other wildlife. However rabbits, pigeons, crows, magpies and squirrels always get it as they do do damage as all my permission is either on arable land or is keepered. This is getting dangerously close to the "killing for killing sake" and "pseudo pest control" argument. Or have I just taken some bait? Swampy Nervous Ning Dunno if youve taken bait or not pal, not sure what you mean. all i mean is just because its on the official pest list dont mean its neccessarily a pest on your/my permissions. As for killing for killing sake, what some may call hunting for sport, thats another matter, i was talking purely about pest control. And if you dont mind me asking, what the hell does 'ning' mean? lol, and why a nervous ning? Also as far as pest control goes, if you can afford to respect a voluntary closed season then fair play, but for the likes of me my permissions are purely gained through controling the ever growing rabbit population. So i cant afford to leave them to breed in peace, as soon as the ferreting stops, the air rifle comes out, doesnt make large impacts on the general rabbit population but where they are doing localised damage the results of my shooting are noticeable and keeps the landowners happy. On a personal note, everytime i shoot a milky doe i feel a little gutted, but then thats what i was given the permission to do, control the rabbits. Edited April 2, 2009 by Born Hunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 160 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Firstly, you need to classify 'pests'. There is no such thing as the 'Pests List'. Since 1981 all plants and animals have been protected to a greater or lesser degree. Some plants and animals are considered to be pests, and therefore have less protection than others. Then you need to classify the 'seasons'. There are no 'closed' seasons for the species that are commonly considered to be pests. In fact, certain pests (rats, mice and rabbits) have to be controlled by law. I think it is up to individuals to decide if their conscience allows them to kill animals that may be nursing young. You always need to remember though, if you don't do it, that doesn't mean they won't be killed by someone else. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 In my opinion just because the government put certain species on the pest list doesnt mean that any one with a gun in their hand on their permission should shoot any of these species just because they are on the list. It is my opinion that the species named on the list are only on there because in certain areas they do alot of damage or exist in unaturally large numbers and therefore have to be controlled however this is not the case in every part of the country. For instance rabbits, in a lot of places in the country there are shite loads of the little destructive buggers and they do alot of damage, however in other areas there arnt many or they do no damage as there isnt any farmland (either arable or grazeing) so in that situation they arnt a pest. Its the same with all the species on the pest list with the exception of the non native species, such as the mink and grey squirrel to a name to 2 most well known. Jackdaws are on the pest list but i never even raise the gun to them as they do no more damage on my permissions than any of the other wildlife. However rabbits, pigeons, crows, magpies and squirrels always get it as they do do damage as all my permission is either on arable land or is keepered. This is getting dangerously close to the "killing for killing sake" and "pseudo pest control" argument. Or have I just taken some bait? Swampy Nervous Ning Dunno if youve taken bait or not pal, not sure what you mean. all i mean is just because its on the official pest list dont mean its neccessarily a pest on your/my permissions. As for killing for killing sake, what some may call hunting for sport, thats another matter, i was talking purely about pest control. And if you dont mind me asking, what the hell does 'ning' mean? lol, and why a nervous ning? Despite Mickys comment. Its just a tag for verification purposes. The bait refers to Catcher.......who I'm sure will...................one day! Brgds Swampy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
undisputed 1,664 Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 (edited) In my opinion just because the government put certain species on the pest list doesnt mean that any one with a gun in their hand on their permission should shoot any of these species just because they are on the list. It is my opinion that the species named on the list are only on there because in certain areas they do alot of damage or exist in unaturally large numbers and therefore have to be controlled however this is not the case in every part of the country. For instance rabbits, in a lot of places in the country there are shite loads of the little destructive buggers and they do alot of damage, however in other areas there arnt many or they do no damage as there isnt any farmland (either arable or grazeing) so in that situation they arnt a pest. Its the same with all the species on the pest list with the exception of the non native species, such as the mink and grey squirrel to a name to 2 most well known. Jackdaws are on the pest list but i never even raise the gun to them as they do no more damage on my permissions than any of the other wildlife. However rabbits, pigeons, crows, magpies and squirrels always get it as they do do damage as all my permission is either on arable land or is keepered. This is getting dangerously close to the "killing for killing sake" and "pseudo pest control" argument. Or have I just taken some bait? Sw Nervous Ning Dunno if youve taken bait or not pal, not sure what you mean. all i mean is just because its on the official pest list dont mean its neccessarily a pest on your/my permissions. As for killing for killing sake, what some may call hunting for sport, thats another matter, i was talking purely about pest control. And if you dont mind me asking, what the hell does 'ning' mean? lol, and why a nervous ning? Despite Mickys comment. Its just a tag for verification purposes. The bait refers to Catcher.......who I'm sure will...................one day! Brgds Swampy I think there's something going on with you and Catcher...you've went from squabbling like two old fish wives to buttering each other up....must be love :whistling Edited April 3, 2009 by undisputed Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Catcher Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 In my opinion just because the government put certain species on the pest list doesnt mean that any one with a gun in their hand on their permission should shoot any of these species just because they are on the list. It is my opinion that the species named on the list are only on there because in certain areas they do alot of damage or exist in unaturally large numbers and therefore have to be controlled however this is not the case in every part of the country. For instance rabbits, in a lot of places in the country there are shite loads of the little destructive buggers and they do alot of damage, however in other areas there arnt many or they do no damage as there isnt any farmland (either arable or grazeing) so in that situation they arnt a pest. Its the same with all the species on the pest list with the exception of the non native species, such as the mink and grey squirrel to a name to 2 most well known. Jackdaws are on the pest list but i never even raise the gun to them as they do no more damage on my permissions than any of the other wildlife. However rabbits, pigeons, crows, magpies and squirrels always get it as they do do damage as all my permission is either on arable land or is keepered. This is getting dangerously close to the "killing for killing sake" and "pseudo pest control" argument. Or have I just taken some bait? Swampy Nervous Ning Dunno if youve taken bait or not pal, not sure what you mean. all i mean is just because its on the official pest list dont mean its neccessarily a pest on your/my permissions. As for killing for killing sake, what some may call hunting for sport, thats another matter, i was talking purely about pest control. And if you dont mind me asking, what the hell does 'ning' mean? lol, and why a nervous ning? Yes swampy what dose ning mean ? Is it your door bell.catcher Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Catcher Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 Firstly, you need to classify 'pests'. There is no such thing as the 'Pests List'. Since 1981 all plants and animals have been protected to a greater or lesser degree. Some plants and animals are considered to be pests, and therefore have less protection than others. Then you need to classify the 'seasons'. There are no 'closed' seasons for the species that are commonly considered to be pests. In fact, certain pests (rats, mice and rabbits) have to be controlled by law. I think it is up to individuals to decide if their conscience allows them to kill animals that may be nursing young. You always need to remember though, if you don't do it, that doesn't mean they won't be killed by someone else. Hi mate I think i did classify when i said shoot.That leaves plants out.And for the sake of argument let,s just say Duck season.Let,s face it in some part,s of the country some pest have to be controled all year round.In my part it,s mostly magpie,s as i live about two hundred yard,s from a hugh roost. and my conscience is clear evey time i shoot one.atb catcher. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Catcher Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 I believe someone once said 'a weed is only a plant in the wrong place'. In my opinion it's the same for pests. Kev. Cheer,s mate atb.catcher. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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