Shooting ,,Sport or Slaughter?

[Guest Rod&dog]

Well thought i would write up a post,, As im so dissapointed and angry on whats happening to my local game,,On the ground i used to look after before i got a full time keepering position that ive know left,,Well anyway on this ground,,Some 400 acres of grass and arable with small dotts of woodland and thick hedges that supported a nice healthy population of roe deer,,Now since ive just started to get around on that land again ive notced a huge noticable difference in the deer numbers,,,You could see anything of up to thirty roe a night here,,Now your lucky to see three No doubt the high seats that have just started to appear have something to do with this This leaves me feeling sad and angry that no longer the game we used to have here has just dissapeared in a very short space of time,, Not only have the deer seemed to of dissapeared but rabbits seem to have been completly eradicated ,,How can anyone call that sport? Seems to shooting lot we have round here just enjoy killing everything they can get there sights on leaving nothing for sport,Dont get me wrong im not anti shooting,,I used to spend days and days nights and nights keeping tabs on the real vermin with guns and dogs on this bit of ground,,But how anyone can just wipe the place clean is behond me,,Its like walking around on mars,,I dont have a problem with shooting deer if its to manage them,,But in my opioion this is just shooting for the sake of it,,And theres just no sport left at all.

 

So thank you mate, (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE) !!!

Edited January 15, 2009 by Rod&dog

[mattydski 560]

In my view, unless being carried out as vermin control for a specific purpose, all deer should be shot as part of a management plan, where cull numbers are agreed before the season. All shooters should report to one coordinator, and he should have this agreed beforehand. Unless there are injured, old and rogue deer, which may be taken under common sense guidelines.

JMHO

Matt

edited to add

Just to clear up any missunderstanding.. deer should only be shot under a management plan..it reads two ways in my post.. sorry

[Malt 379]

I don't know much about deer populations, but do they move on to different areas from time to time?

[SportingShooter 0]

In areas where there are a lot of Deer, and where they are hampering the producer on the land, then a cull is most certainly needed.

 

If they do no harm, they still need to be controlled for their own sake, as we know from the LACS estate in Devon, they cannot be left to their own devices or they starve and die.

 

Depending on what sort of ground you are talking about, I can understand both sides of the argument.

 

SS

[hiho 5]

i like seeing the odd deer a fair few in my area no body shoots them.I think the lack of rabbits is a good thing they aint native like grey squirrels its hares i like to be left alone

[hiho 5]

simple answer ,2 many people 2 many guns = every one wants to shoot a deer so they are geting slaughterd ,= numbers down drastically, and will get worse .

go to the highlands were theres to many deer and not enough guns

[Guest Rod&dog]

I don't know much about deer populations, but do they move on to different areas from time to time?

 

 

Yes and this is the land i know like the back of my hand every fox earth,, Every rabbit warren,,Every badger,,Where the foxes lie up on the warm summer days, What cover the deer are more likely to be in during the day,,Where there more liekyl to go if scared ,,Where they run to from each covert,,And im am also freindly with other neibouring farmers and keepers and my deer that are on my patch of some 400500 acres of land that used to be present all year round,,Im sorry but 30 is not a very large number of roe,, for this are where we have alot of them,,But sorry ,, I dont think that there being killed for managemeht,, As i was very good friends with the bloke whos shooting them,,There being shot for nothing but sport to him im affraid,, And the sooner i have controll over my old patch the better.

[SNAP SHOT 194]

i used to see a fair few reds on my local patch but poachers shot at anything that moved and the deer are now spread out over a wide area.

to many people shooting the same land also is not good as there can be no managemant plan undertaken.

shame they don't see the numbers dropping.

[Guest Rod&dog]

In areas where there are a lot of Deer, and where they are hampering the producer on the land, then a cull is most certainly needed.

 

If they do no harm, they still need to be controlled for their own sake, as we know from the LACS estate in Devon, they cannot be left to their own devices or they starve and die.

 

Depending on what sort of ground you are talking about, I can understand both sides of the argument.

 

SS

 

Yeh the LACS barronsdown so called wildlife santury is in utter shambles and i agree possibly the inhealthyiest deer on exmoor,,But like ive said im all for deer manage ment,,But as far as im concered whats going on in my patch is nothing to do with deer management.

[lurchergrrl 1,441]

This is an interesting post.

 

R&D, do you really think it's all down to shooting?

 

There is a nice spot near me where, by all accounts, there used to be quite a few deer. Last I heard there were only one or two left there. I've seen them night and day. A lot were taken by chavvy types flexing the mucles on the ends of their leads.

 

To me this is irresponsible. I'm not against it, same as you, but weather it be by gun or with dogs, wiping them out is just .. insulting. It demonstrates a real lack of respect and understanding.

[TOPPER 1,809]

i shoot and work my dogs [ running and digging ] but i know what you mean the rifle boyz in and around bristol are a pain in the arse they shoot anything that moves usally from vehicles , weve found fresh carcasses just left to rot as it would mean walking over the field to drag it back and thats to much like hard work, only last week 2 horses got shot mistaken for deer most proberbly and left to rot , iam not sayin all rifle shooters are irrisposible most like me are very responsible people but around bristol at the moment there is a hell of a lot of poaching going on done by idiot s many of whom havent got fac s there just out for a fast buck supplying cafes bars resturants in and around bristol with poached game, we know who alot of them are and its just a matter of time to catch them in the act

[Guest Rod&dog]

This is an interesting post.

 

R&D, do you really think it's all down to shooting?

 

There is a nice spot near me where, by all accounts, there used to be quite a few deer. Last I heard there were only one or two left there. I've seen them night and day. A lot were taken by chavvy types flexing the mucles on the ends of their leads.

 

To me this is irresponsible. I'm not against it, same as you, but weather it be by gun or with dogs, wiping them out is just .. insulting. It demonstrates a real lack of respect and understanding.

I can honeslty say im probbally the only bugger who runs dogs on that land,,And ive only ever taken one deer in 3 years on the ground,, A good friend of mine is on the ground nearly everyday working in thw woods or shooting vermin with a 2.2 rimmy,,But the nebouring ground is hamered by riflemen big time,,And im positve they are doing more harm than good. And since ive been a way a few seats have appereded. one my boundrys looking over our land.

[Guest Rod&dog]

i shoot and work my dogs [ running and digging ] but i know what you mean the rifle boyz in and around bristol are a pain in the arse they shoot anything that moves usally from vehicles , weve found fresh carcasses just left to rot as it would mean walking over the field to drag it back and thats to much like hard work, only last week 2 horses got shot mistaken for deer most proberbly and left to rot , iam not sayin all rifle shooters are irrisposible most like me are very responsible people but around bristol at the moment there is a hell of a lot of poaching going on done by idiot s many of whom havent got fac s there just out for a fast buck supplying cafes bars resturants in and around bristol with poached game, we know who alot of them are and its just a matter of time to catch them in the act

 

And ive met and been out with Topper here ,, And taken him on a bit of my land,,And alough there was a few deer about that night,,Im sure he can tell you as good as i can tell you things are extremely lamp why where the grounds hamered from all directions form our rifle totling friends,,But i know exaclty whos shooting from the high seats and this ones not a poacher!!!

 

But like ive said i shoot/trap and run my dog over this land also,, But real vermin.

[martin 332]

simple answer ,2 many people 2 many guns = every one wants to shoot a deer so they are geting slaughterd ,= numbers down drastically, and will get worse .

 

 

If the numbers are down where you are then I would say that if anything it is down to the Subaru boys,as stalkers generally work to a prearranged cull figure.If dogs are run on the deer most nights of the week as some of these boys do,then they will move off the land to somewhere a bit quieter.Where I am the numbers are increasing all the time,and,what I take has no effect on the numbers at all................martin.

[alimac 882]

if your seeing 30 in a night on 400 acres (there obviously will be more there that your not seeing) that to me is a un healthy number to have on that acreage...