plummer terriers

[fireman 11,423]

Just a quick reply as i've got better things to do today(going to get my lad for the half term),Tim i am man enough to say that i've not bred a plummer litter as yet so i don't or havn't claimed to have bred or know anyone that has bred a fault free strain,what i'm saying is you need CAREFULL breeding to go forward with this breed,how come you don't understand what i'm saying everyone else does plummer owner or not?.3 generations of bad dogs you mention yet your still keeping a bitch to breed from??????????,sounds good kennel managment as does accidental matings in a well run kennels,whoops i let the stud dog into the pen where the bitch on heat was??.I have seen a few good pups produced lately from a few kennels who all have a breeding plan to improve on the plummer,to try to remove faults from their lines and all done by lads who do work their dogs to different quarry not just rats.These are the lads who know what they are doing and in these hands the future won't be at a loss for the breed.Still glad to here your having a revamp in your club but you are still in need of a pr rep mate.

[Big bald beautiful 1,231]

well put it to sleep, if it dont work dont breed from it end off.

dont breed from it saying its from this, this and this...if it dont work it aint worth breeding from.

Have you found me a stud dog working fox?

 

i have one and know of a better looking one also, but once again there older so im i going backwards, i must be because i cant go forward as there isnt one, bull blood or not .that will add strengh to my small bitch and is doing anything of note.

[Big bald beautiful 1,231]

must have kittens to sell................

Edited May 25, 2008 by Big bald beautiful

[Simoman 110]

I was at Rother Valley earlier and there were a few Plummers, one or two were huge, well over 16" and very leggy.

[MATTI 34]

I met Plummer on a few occasions,and to say "he didn't take himself seriously" is crap.

He was so up himself it was untrue.

I always thought it a tad weird the way he surrounded himself with teenage lads.

Were you one of "Brians" boys Matti?

WEEEE!!! Your funny

[Guest 10/22]

Jamie no disrespect but you know you would be one of the last people we would let use our stud dogs for various reasons, and kick away , its easy to kick people when they are down, just dont end up with egg on your face gloating as you could look a chump, but i arent going to argue with you, you always like to incite arguments or have nasty little digs, so I'm not going that way, as for cody, well shes good bloodlines and from working stock- so I'm told and you yourself have made many claims about the great late todd- what did happen to him anyway????, so we'll see what she breeds back to our working dogs, maybe a bit of calmness might be ok in them, we'll see.

 

As for you fireman, you do tend to spout, and openly admit you have seen.........what have you seen and what are you comparing what you have seen to ? - comparisons have to be made and a positive approach far exceeds a negative one , my advise to you is get some experience under your belt, and by that i mean personal experience , dont ride on anyones back - they may be taking you down the wrong road , you cant beat doing it yourself , that way all the sucess and satisfaction from it is earned, but you will learn - or you wont, it matters not to me. still good luck with your first litter - if you ever breed it, lets hope you get all you wish for.

[MATTI 34]

To be fair the Plummer terrier was bred to work rat's, that's not to say some won't work fox. If you don't like the look of the breed or the handfull you've seen work, don't get into the breed easy as. If you ever met Brian you would know he did'nt take himself that seriously and 9 out of 10 article's written by him were to amuse himself as the barrage of abuse that came back made him laugh. At Lowther horse Trials he put up a challenge that his king charles spaniel (Charlotte) could out work any terrier below/above ground that was on the show field that day, and not one terrier man came forward, Brian laughed all the back to Abington.

 

Matti, I knew Brian briefly as a teenager and to be fair he treated me well but I'm not so sure about him not taking himself seriously To me its a joke to state that his spaniels would outwork a good terrier and makes a mockery of a true digging dog to make such claims, I would think if that claim at Lowther was made is was quitely and not near any "names" or digging men.

As for Plummer terriers I owned one, a good dog for rats and rabbits but she died young after bolting only a handfull of foxes so who knows if she would have worked? Now the Plummer terrier may have been pushed as a ratting dog but all his articles and books state the dogs used in the breeding program were also entered to fox, otter, badger and worked well.(Vampire, Beltane, Pagan etc etc).

He made the claim over a microphone while a crowd of over 100 folk stood round listening to the breeding plan's of the sporting lucas terrier (another hot topic no dought) i was there and seen plenty of terrier men and there dog's with my own eye's, as you say yourself the older line's of the Plummer were used to ground but alot now are too leggy for this type of work. All the best. MATTI.

[trader 0]

im experienced enough to realise that the dog in the picture is only of limited to use in large setts, and that dog would struggle to get and work its quarry in varying situations in the british isles, to the people who can see faults in the breed the breed will be improved and have a great future if it was left to an idiot like you it wouldnt

 

 

 

 

 

just because you have seen it in other breeds doesnt mean its alright ive had them myself dogs to large to work. You need good strong dogs in any breed to keep constitution high to past on to bitches without them the breed[any breed] becomes weak but the plummer that won that show was suppose to be a good representertive of the breed it was NOT a show for potential stud dogs and i will stick to my original comments that ,that dog would be of little use as a working terrier to fox over a long working life i wish the people who see the faults in the breed all the best the rest that suffer with kennel blindness i wish they would move on to another breed thats past saving theres plenty out there

[Guest WILF]

Cammoman is comming, Cammoman is comming, Cammoman is comming.......................

[Moorman 1 1,453]

I have seen several decent Plummers work to ground.Excellent noses and stick to the task until the job is done.Bill Mossman used to be a hunt terrierman and his main terriers were Plummers.If from the right lines as good as anything else.It amazes me how some people can look at a picture of a dog and slate it as a worker.It just shows their lack of experience.Many times I have seen the most hideous looking terriers out perform the stunners on the day.

im experienced enough to realise that the dog in the picture is only of limited to use in large setts, and that dog would struggle to get and work its quarry in varying situations in the british isles, to the people who can see faults in the breed the breed will be improved and have a great future if it was left to an idiot like you it wouldnt

 

 

The older Plummer lines were of a much better size for earthwork.I prefer a smaller type of terrier as a larger type or dog in my area is of very limited use.But as oldskool says this can be said of all breeds.There are a lot of colourd terriers around that are very limited to their use.Having said that I have seen some larger dogs succeed where smaller dogs have failed but it all depends on the situation at the time.I can see the faults in the breed.A lot of welknown strains of terrier from back in the 70's and 's have for some reason got bigger and bigger and in my opinion are now too big to be of regular use.To call me an idiot after reading one post is a very foolish statement.I have seen many Plummers work to ground,how many have you?I can see a great many faults in the breed.A lot of the Plummers that I have seen in the last few years have been too big for regular work.I also think that the recent infusion of Bull into the breed will do nothing to help matters.

 

Its ok thinking the bull blood did no good you have to see the results really both in the flesh and out in the field to make any kind of valid judgement dont you think?

Well fireman? enlighten us as to what you have bred then and what results you had, you do plenty spouting about whats right or wrong , surely this comes from experience both of breeding and within the Plummer terriers you keep - doesnt it ?

10/22 thats my point people shouldn't make the judgements without seeing it work.I do agree with you but do you not think that adding Bull to a line will not make the offspring bigger in the chest etc.

[Big bald beautiful 1,231]

how would he know its his f*****g girlfriend pulling his strings...

 

i can gloat away, i havnt tried selling a f*****g wild cat

if i breed a litter they will be docked by a vet with paper work....

[Guest 10/22]

you would have thought it would have increased the chest proportionately, and it did to a certain extent the first couple of generations, but it was soon bred out, the worst chests I've seen is through the pure lines, some barrel, some deep and plenty keel ones, the bull wasnt a miracle cure mearly a choice and a chance to expand the gene pool, and like I say they work the pures under the table , and i keep both, the difference is that mine are working terriers, and sure they win shows but as we only go to one a year - midland(now run by sainsbury's man - private joke lol)(2 shows now since the gt yorks put on classes), it doesnt make any difference who wins the local bun fights after all they do say its only a bit of fun(just those down the line dont laugh), in a nutshell there are some nice plummers out there just very few, and even less which are true to the coveted breed standard.

 

Go away jamie or try saying or contributing something niceor positive for a change, its all old hat and dreadfully boring

[fireman 11,423]

I ride on no mans back,my missis is pure woman mate.I get out all over the country as a lot of owners will tell you to meet and see owners and their dogs,so i get to see a good few different plummers though out the year and i also get to see the offspring of certain unions and as i have a few friends i here the good and the bad.These are the dogs which are from a few good kennels(ones that your other half has praised on your old forum)that is what i see and what is shown at the shows so i would say a good cross section myself.You call the shows a bun fight and almost make a mockery of them but didn't you used to sell your pups or was it your misses as bred from the show winner blah?,or is it you lost the show now and have the hump about the fact(and that is a fact)?.Reread your last line and listen to the words as you missed there meening when you wrote them mate,you were talking about your self and accidently wrote them down...over to you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

[Guest 10/22]

The reason so many people get put off plummers is the politics which surrounds them, the my club is better than your club attitude or i've fallen out with them so I'll start another club as theirs is wrong!!! There is just no sanity either within the breeders or the clubs no wonder plummer owners are the joke of the terrier world with all the idiots they attract.

as for the midland , well it saves me 3 days hard slog for nothing, its not and never has been appreciated, let those who want to make a name for themselves do it (thats if they are still about by sept), if running a show means so much to them, go ahead,I've plenty of work to do without putting precious days to one side, i'll still show my dogs thereand only have to be there a couple of hours lol - result!!!!!! perhaps you yourself will put up a challenge to my dogs this year, who knows?whatever, its good pr for the breed much as is the gt yorks, two big shows, the yorks being the one to go to though so i'll be there en mass lol, if you go say hello, its good to put faces to names.

[COMPO 54]

without meaning to stir shit......i did contemplate a plummer terrier , i mostly ferret, and do a bit of rough shooting and other vermin control, i wanted a small game dog for marking,ratting, bushing and whatever else i may decide to do/need to do. Basically a sporting companion/vermin dog!

 

All the arguing and the different types and clubs put me off!

 

i got a teckel she suits me and does what i need/want

 

what has suffered from my decision? the plummer terrier as a breed, one less owner, one less terrier, one less being worked, one less potential breeder..........all the heads of the clubs need to get together, draw a line under the old arguments, produce one united face , register,standard and to breed working terriers with a thought to re-ducing inherent weakness and being mindful to problems within the type!

 

Me i may breed from my teckel....in fact i may start a pack i could have been an ambassador for the plummer terrier breed!