Epstein files.

[WILF 50,875]

31 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Can't be arsed responding like_ for_ like to the insults. We are grown ups. I accept you were perhaps a little perplexed and emotional at the time. I forgive you.

Childish nonsense always perplexes me……as it should anyone else.

31 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

The facts that The New Statesman published about the Tate  brothers can be read elsewhere in right wing publications. If it was untrue the Tate brothers would have sued for libel. Criticising a particular publication, which published undeniable facts, is just the same as blaming a messenger bringing bad news. By your logic you seem to believe articles written in right leaning publications are more likely to  to be true because you generally agree with the sentiments expressed therein.

The answer to your last couple of lines is No, I don’t do that, ever !

I always try and think stuff through so that I don’t end up looking like a prick !

So, for a recent instance, you didn’t see me jumping on that silly bandwagon about the girl in Scotland “defending her sister” because it just don’t make sense in any logical way to me…….it would have suited my world view perfectly but I actually took a minute to look at the video and read the report and none of it sounded like anything more to me than a load of made for a particular audience nonsense……hence, no thank you, I’ve had enough of that and I was born with a brain in my head.

 

31 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Can you tell me if you think it is right that Trump is championing the Tate brothers and invites Mcrapist  to the White House?

I think it’s right that he listens to anyone who may have something valid to say or is indeed saying something valid (like McGregor on immigration) 

He probably talks to the leader of China on a weekly basis as well despite the fact China massacres people…..that’s how it works.

Werner Von Braun put men on the moon, Volkswagen make good cars, Krupp probably made the steel for a good bit of kit you once owned…..like what a ridiculous premise to think we can only listen to and give validity to the opinions of the “right” people ?

If you only spoke to the “right” people you wouldn’t talk to anyone which is no big deal for me or you but probably essential for the most powerful man in the world !

31 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Do you think young men may be influenced into thinking that their noxious  behaviour is acceptable, even laudable?  Do you think young women and girls would be entitled to think wtf?... society thinks I'm only good  for sex? And it matters little whether that sex is consensual or non  violent?

I think young people are influenced by strong role models, domestically and socially……what we have created with all this namby pamby 14 year old schoolgirl mindset is a vacuum !

It’s not natural and it’s f***ing insane so naturally when someone actually stick out a bit some folks gravitate towards them…..kids ain’t stupid but they are not yet wise, they know when something is total nonsense (like pretending even having a cup of tea with a mass murders is actually the same as being one yourself) but they don’t have anything good to use as a marker and perpetuating the insanity isn’t helping with any of it ! 

31 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Can you tell me why you are willing to turn a blind eye to Epstein and his mates but not the Asian grooming gangs? The same type of child , vulnerable and unprotected, were targeted,  gaslighted and trafficked.

Who has turned a blind eye, show me once where I have done that ?……drivel !, utter f***ing drivel !

What, because I have a thought process more than a 6 year old whereby I’ll consider a man guilty when he is actually found guilty and not then consider that anyone who ever met him must also be guilty of the exact same thing ?

No sorry, I’m a grown up ! 
 

Should we blank you because a man accused of something hideous was in your fishing syndicate ?……a simple yes or no will suffice ? 

31 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Does it matter that the the leader of the free world is an undeniable, personal moral cesspit, with a court judgement against him for forced penetrative sex? 

No, because we are dying and he seems like the only bit of lifeboat floating past……if you find a totally perfect person to fulfil these roles, let me know their name ! 

[Bendigo 1,146]

8 hours ago, jukel123 said:

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/americas/north-america/us/2025/03/why-donald-trump-embraced-andrew-tate

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cedleq79902o.amp

Both Trump and innocent, pensioner puncher McGregor are convicted of serious, sexual violence.

Nothing to see here folks. It doesn't matter.

 

 

Tate is a bit of a plum, and he's said a few things to grab attention, because that's how he made his money by grabbing attention. But he's also one of the most mis quoted men alive. He's very intelligent and he's good at getting people thinking about different issues (unfortunately not the left as they aren't able to think freely and for themselves) 

We had a warning from school to make sure our kids weren't being influenced by Tate. So I sat through about 15 hours of his pod casts while driving at work. I heard very little to be concerned about and nothing compared to the hate and deviancy spout regular to our kids from the left. I challenged the school by email, phone and face to face to show me something I should be concerned about from Tate. The could only show second hand quotes like the link you provided, no matter how much I pushed they couldn't provide anything. 

A bit like when people call Tommy Robinson racist...... when pushed the left can't provide actual evidence of racism. .....

We should always start with a base line of truth, because wether it's nonces or true hate....the actual guilty hide in amongst the lies, rumour, conspiracy and hate. 

[jukel123 9,605]

"Should we blank you because a man was  accused of something hideous was in your fishing syndicate..a simple yeas or no ."

f**k me I sometimes wish you would.....you are giving me a lot of metaphorical earache this afternoon.

To address your point. I probably should not have blanked him as he's not yet been proven guilty. His case comes up in a fortnight. I'll let you know the verdict. But this is not a comparable case at all. Mc Rapist has been found guilty. The Tates have said and published some vicious stuff about women. Trump has been found guilty of an attack on a woman.

You did say the girls only "wanked Epstein off". You sought to suggest there wasn't much it to see here.

This is defence of a paedophile whether you like it or not.

Not so much of a pleasure to discuss current affairs this afternoon Wilf. More of a discussion with somebody apeshit mad this afternoon.

 However we will survive until we  cross ideological swords again.

Log on folks for the next exciting adventure.

[Bendigo 1,146]

1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

Can't be arsed responding like_ for_ like to the insults. We are grown ups. I accept you were perhaps a little perplexed and emotional at the time. I forgive you.

The facts that The New Statesman published about the Tate  brothers can be read elsewhere in right wing publications. If it was untrue the Tate brothers would have sued for libel. Criticising a particular publication, which published undeniable facts, is just the same as blaming a messenger bringing bad news. By your logic you seem to believe articles written in right leaning publications are more likely to  to be true because you generally agree with the sentiments expressed therein.

Can you tell me if you think it is right that Trump is championing the Tate brothers and invites Mcrapist  to the White House?

Do you think young men may be influenced into thinking that their noxious  behaviour is acceptable, even laudable?  Do you think young women and girls would be entitled to think wtf?... society thinks I'm only good  for sex? And it matters little whether that sex is consensual or non  violent?

Can you tell me why you are willing to turn a blind eye to Epstein and his mates but not the Asian grooming gangs? The same type of child , vulnerable and unprotected, were targeted,  gaslighted and trafficked.

Does it matter that the the leader of the free world is an undeniable, personal moral cesspit, with a court judgement against him for forced penetrative sex? 

Nobody is turning a blind eye to the 'epstien ' files.....I personally just can't hang someone because their name is on a list that put them somewhere at some time with someone else....it should open questions but don't prove someone is a nonce..... which is someone who is proven to be attracted to or sexually abused children. Just like I hate seeing people being accused of being a nonce because they did loads of fund raising with jimmy Saville. 

I genuinely recommend you listen to Andrew Tate. Seriously go listen to a few hours of his pod casts.....then tell me which is the worst influence for young kids Tate or Sam Smith/ drag queen story hour. I honestly would happily let one side baby sit for me..... and it's not the side that schools and government are telling us to be worried about. And you don't need to in any way like Andrew Tate to find that situation worrying and eye opening 

[WILF 50,875]

1 minute ago, jukel123 said:

"Should we blank you because a man was  accused of something hideous was in your fishing syndicate..a simple yeas or no ."

f**k me I sometimes wish you would.....you are giving me a lot of metaphorical earache this afternoon.

To address your point. I probably should not have blanked him as he's not yet been proven guilty. His case comes up in a fortnight. I'll let you know the verdict. But this is not a comparable case at all. Mc Rapist has been found guilty. The Tates have said and published some vicious stuff about women. Trump has been found guilty of an attack on a woman.

That’s not what I asked you, stop deflecting !

I asked should we blank you ?…..because using your exact same logic you must have known about it and are tainted by it ?

(I don’t actually think that because I have a brain but you said it, so I’m asking)

1 minute ago, jukel123 said:

You did say the girls only "wanked Epstein off". You sought to suggest there wasn't much it to see here.

This is defence of a paedophile whether you like it or not.

How, how is it ?……..

1 minute ago, jukel123 said:

Not so much of a pleasure to discuss current affairs this afternoon Wilf. More of a discussion with somebody apeshit mad this afternoon.

I don’t think you’re  mad, I just think you are being hysterical and silly 

1 minute ago, jukel123 said:

 However we will survive until we  cross ideological swords again.

Log on folks for the next exciting adventure.

Ideology has no place in this conversation, it’s all about logic !

[paul sr 939]

There is a strong probability Trump will pardon Ghislaine Maxwell , just before he leaves office . 

[WILF 50,875]

13 minutes ago, paul sr said:

There is a strong probability Trump will pardon Ghislaine Maxwell , just before he leaves office . 

And there it is, we all know what it is, it’s the “don’t make bad press for me and I’ll let you off at the end”……..it stinks, it’s not right but it’s how things are.

What it don’t do is make Trump saying “Europe is going to hell” not a valid thing to say because we all know it is…..

Maybe you can help me and explain to Jukel how one thing has f**k all to do with the other mate ? lol 

[Bendigo 1,146]

14 minutes ago, WILF said:

And there it is, we all know what it is, it’s the “don’t make bad press for me and I’ll let you off at the end”……..it stinks, it’s not right but it’s how things are.

What it don’t do is make Trump saying “Europe is going to hell” not a valid thing to say because we all know it is…..

Maybe you can help me and explain to Jukel how one thing has f**k all to do with the other mate ? lol 

Perhaps Charlie could have explained it better

 

[jukel123 9,605]

1 hour ago, Bendigo said:

Nobody is turning a blind eye to the 'epstien ' files.....I personally just can't hang someone because their name is on a list that put them somewhere at some time with someone else....it should open questions but don't prove someone is a nonce..... which is someone who is proven to be attracted to or sexually abused children. Just like I hate seeing people being accused of being a nonce because they did loads of fund raising with jimmy Saville. 

I genuinely recommend you listen to Andrew Tate. Seriously go listen to a few hours of his pod casts.....then tell me which is the worst influence for young kids Tate or Sam Smith/ drag queen story hour. I honestly would happily let one side baby sit for me..... and it's not the side that schools and government are telling us to be worried about. And you don't need to in any way like Andrew Tate to find that situation worrying and eye opening 

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1613159604908883968

 

Tate's words must have been taken completely out of context.

Fucks sake

 This is not an alpha male. This is a c**t.

I

 

Edited 1 hour ago by jukel123

[WILF 50,875]

5 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1613159604908883968

 

Tate's words must have been taken completely out of context.

Fucks sake

 This is not an alpha male. This is a c**t.

I

 

Cant argue with what that dude says, it’s all very calm, sensible and logical.

We have created an environment NOT for young people to aspire to….little wonder they gravitate towards anyone with a strong message when everything  around them is childish and weak as piss. 

[WILF 50,875]

@jukel123 You still haven’t answered me ?…..but that’s ok, you don’t have to.

Ill just assume that your rules only apply to rich people you don’t like but not to you 

[jukel123 9,605]

14 minutes ago, WILF said:

Cant argue with what that dude says, it’s all very calm, sensible and logical.

We have created an environment NOT for young people to aspire to….little wonder they gravitate towards anyone with a strong message when everything  around them is childish and weak as piss. 

Did you hear Tate's words quoted by Derbyshire?

[jukel123 9,605]

8 minutes ago, WILF said:

@jukel123 You still haven’t answered me ?…..but that’s ok, you don’t have to.

Ill just assume that your rules only apply to rich people you don’t like but not to you 

I thought I had. Which question have I not answered?

[WILF 50,875]

1 minute ago, jukel123 said:

I thought I had. Which question have I not answered?

Does the fella accused of something awful in your fishing syndicate also make you something awful ? 
 

[WILF 50,875]

3 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Did you hear Tate's words quoted by Derbyshire?

I didn’t mate, what was is that he said ?

Edited 1 hour ago by WILF