The Lucy connelly interview....

[chartpolski 27,940]

2 minutes ago, Moocher71 said:

well it's not 0 is it ? Someone just posted 11 and how many do you think it will be in the end ? And maybe I should have said the majority of MPs leaving are going to reform.

I was chatting to the reform MP for my area when they was knocking doors and he blatantly said reform and conservative party should become one as in his view it was the only way forward.

 

 

 

Farage has categorically ruled out a pact with the Tory’s. He has said many times he wants to destroy the Tory party. 
Personally I’d like some of the Spartans and Right wing Tory MP’s , such as Mark Francois, to defect to Reform.

But again I ask what is the alternative ?

Dont vote and it’s a tacit acceptance of the status quo, voting for an independent may, just , get you an MP that will never have any power to change things , they will just be a constituency MP . Voting for a legacy party is voting for more Incompetence  and corruption ,voting for Corbyn or the Greens is like turkeys voting for Xmas.

Voting for Reform is voting for POSSIBLE change, what’s to lose ? 
Cheers.

 

[Seagull 749]

You see what I don't understand with folk, is that they have this idea that all this immigration is a masterplan by the elite to erode our culture and then put faith in to one of the elite and first class grifter in Farage, beats me.

[Borr 7,894]

18 minutes ago, Seagull said:

You see what I don't understand with folk, is that they have this idea that all this immigration is a masterplan by the elite to erode our culture and then put faith in to one of the elite and first class grifter in Farage, beats me.

Illegal immigration. I'm torn between it being because civil servants in Whitehall fear losing their woke power , the fact we give benefits to legal and illegal migrants, Europe is run by woke ultra liberal establishments whether it be courts or parliamentary ones. The fact that Rayner is happy to placate the Muslim vote or any vote that will keep her in power after starmer fades away. Could it be funded by the Arab elite of course , does the UK parliament care whether they get millions of votes from Pakistani or Eritreans no they don't . They want power . So take your pick , but what we want is change , change of government change of Whitehall, change of all the powers that be in religion, treasury , security, etc 

[Seagull 749]

8 minutes ago, Borr said:

Illegal immigration. I'm torn between it being because civil servants in Whitehall fear losing their woke power , the fact we give benefits to legal and illegal migrants, Europe is run by woke ultra liberal establishments whether it be courts or parliamentary ones. The fact that Rayner is happy to placate the Muslim vote or any vote that will keep her in power after starmer fades away. Could it be funded by the Arab elite of course , does the UK parliament care whether they get millions of votes from Pakistani or Eritreans no they don't . They want power . So take your pick , but what we want is change , change of government change of Whitehall, change of all the powers that be in religion, treasury , security, etc 

Civil servants don't make immigration laws, parliament does. The courts are only applying human rights laws that Britain helped write after WW2. If the UK wants to leave these treaties then nothing is stopping it, it's not some hidden agenda IMO. Isn't that's what a party is supposed to do, chase all votes? That's what democracy is all about, no? Yes, we want change, but blaming it on some hidden agenda instead of gross incompetence is a bit far fetched for me.

Edited 5 hours ago by Seagull

[Borr 7,894]

1 minute ago, Seagull said:

Civil servants don't make immigration laws, parliament does. The courts are only applying human rights laws that Britain helped writer after WW2. If the UK wants to leave these treaties then nothing is stopping it, it's not some hidden agenda IMO. Isn't that's what a party is supposed to do, chase all votes? That's what democracy is all about, no? Yes, we want change, but blaming it on some hidden agenda instead of gross incompetence is a bit far fetched for me.

Much of legislation has been moved away from parliament and the country..

 

[Borr 7,894]

Either way I guess , whether a deliberate act or gross incompetence it matters not until you have to fight it, it's easier to deal with incompetence than deliberate actions ...maybe although all the incompetent people will wish to hold on to their roles as will the treacherous.

[Moocher71 4,111]

1 hour ago, chartpolski said:

Farage has categorically ruled out a pact with the Tory’s. He has said many times he wants to destroy the Tory party. 
Personally I’d like some of the Spartans and Right wing Tory MP’s , such as Mark Francois, to defect to Reform.

But again I ask what is the alternative ?

Dont vote and it’s a tacit acceptance of the status quo, voting for an independent may, just , get you an MP that will never have any power to change things , they will just be a constituency MP . Voting for a legacy party is voting for more Incompetence  and corruption ,voting for Corbyn or the Greens is like turkeys voting for Xmas.

Voting for Reform is voting for POSSIBLE change, what’s to lose ? 
Cheers.

 

lets hope they keep their word .

I very much doubt it .

 

[chartpolski 27,940]

2 minutes ago, Moocher71 said:

lets hope they keep their word .

I very much doubt it .

 

I honestly believe they will TRY to keep their word; but just like Brexit, the “Establishment” will do everything to thwart Reforms ambitions.

Cheers.

[Halfhound 203]

I know f**k all about politics or how it all works but I just base what I think from what my eyes can see. I think some of the immigration manages to keep the likes of healthcare and stuff going young nurses and doctors just aren’t sticking around they don’t want to be taxed to death or pay £350k for a house. Then you’ve the hospitality industry that never stops cribbing and crying about VAT rates and everything else, they want to pay school children f**k all to work weekends and the only other people who seem to want that work is immigrants and that suits them to pay bugger all. The wealthy need these people to keep wages down, never look for overtime or holidays or proper contracts and basically keep the poor poor while profits keep rising. I’m not one of these crack pots that just hates the rich either I love to see someone do well but when you see people make seriously big bucks while their employees will struggle to get out of the gutter it just never sat right with me 

[Borr 7,894]

9 minutes ago, Halfhound said:

I know f**k all about politics or how it all works but I just base what I think from what my eyes can see. I think some of the immigration manages to keep the likes of healthcare and stuff going young nurses and doctors just aren’t sticking around they don’t want to be taxed to death or pay £350k for a house. Then you’ve the hospitality industry that never stops cribbing and crying about VAT rates and everything else, they want to pay school children f**k all to work weekends and the only other people who seem to want that work is immigrants and that suits them to pay bugger all. The wealthy need these people to keep wages down, never look for overtime or holidays or proper contracts and basically keep the poor poor while profits keep rising. I’m not one of these crack pots that just hates the rich either I love to see someone do well but when you see people make seriously big bucks while their employees will struggle to get out of the gutter it just never sat right with me 

If you watch that video it explains that the treasury has no intention to train British dr's and nurses whilst they can import them, no brainer...unless you care about British culture and British people 

[Seagull 749]

6 minutes ago, Borr said:

If you watch that video it explains that the treasury has no intention to train British dr's and nurses whilst they can import them, no brainer...unless you care about British culture and British people 

Perhaps if our governments decided to fund the NHS instead of fake bus campaigns then things might start to change in future.

[Borr 7,894]

Just now, Seagull said:

Perhaps if our governments decided to fund the NHS instead of fake bus campaigns then things might start to change in future.

NHS gets loads....end of

[Seagull 749]

1 minute ago, Borr said:

NHS gets loads....end of

Does it, it doesn't get as much as France, Germany, etc.

[Halfhound 203]

5 minutes ago, Borr said:

If you watch that video it explains that the treasury has no intention to train British dr's and nurses whilst they can import them, no brainer...unless you care about British culture and British people 

Yeah this is it. I also think that throughout modern history you can see that when people came together with a strong sense of pride and community they had to be taken apart. Look at the miners and how they were made look by the media during their strikes? The catholics in the north of Ireland and how they were treated and made out to be? If the government gets a sense that people could stand up and refuse to eat shit or worse yet stand up for their neighbour they will rain hell down on them. The immigrant thing manages to attract all the hate while it quietly brings down communities

[Moocher71 4,111]

1 hour ago, Halfhound said:

I know f**k all about politics or how it all works but I just base what I think from what my eyes can see. I think some of the immigration manages to keep the likes of healthcare and stuff going young nurses and doctors just aren’t sticking around they don’t want to be taxed to death or pay £350k for a house. Then you’ve the hospitality industry that never stops cribbing and crying about VAT rates and everything else, they want to pay school children f**k all to work weekends and the only other people who seem to want that work is immigrants and that suits them to pay bugger all. The wealthy need these people to keep wages down, never look for overtime or holidays or proper contracts and basically keep the poor poor while profits keep rising. I’m not one of these crack pots that just hates the rich either I love to see someone do well but when you see people make seriously big bucks while their employees will struggle to get out of the gutter it just never sat right with me 

thars how are government wants it