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[WataWalloper 3,555]

1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

Dunno. But I do know that communities given Scottish Government money to buy out foreign landowners are thriving. Because my son lives in just such a community. 

Be great to eventually re_ introduce  lynx, maybe wolf and make salmon  rivers affordable for working class people. The Highlands weren't intended to house only red deer and grouse. That was an invention of the English aristocracy. They have been eclipsed now by incredibly rich foreigners. Something like half a dozen, non _ british people own most of the highlands. That not healthy for me and you  and definitely not healthy for ordinary Scots mate. The Highlands used to be densely forested,now they are over grazed, stripped bare by red deer to be shot by the aristocracy. The grouse moors are the same ..artificial creations for the super rich.  

Spot on as usual ole yin, fcuk grouse, fcuk the grouse keepers an fcuk the grouse moors, always noticed that grouse keepers seem to be the most pathetic folk in the countryside aswell, wankers the lot of them haha

[Black neck 17,285]

6 hours ago, jukel123 said:

Dunno. But I do know that communities given Scottish Government money to buy out foreign landowners are thriving. Because my son lives in just such a community. 

Be great to eventually re_ introduce  lynx, maybe wolf and make salmon  rivers affordable for working class people. The Highlands weren't intended to house only red deer and grouse. That was an invention of the English aristocracy. They have been eclipsed now by incredibly rich foreigners. Something like half a dozen, non _ british people own most of the highlands. That not healthy for me and you  and definitely not healthy for ordinary Scots mate. The Highlands used to be densely forested,now they are over grazed, stripped bare by red deer to be shot by the aristocracy. The grouse moors are the same ..artificial creations for the super rich.  

Sounds lovely but in reality it would be a disaster just like the rewinding job already is lynx and wolves ffs are u mad jace 

[fred90 3,367]

there doesn't seem much support for the glorious 12th. 

[Black neck 17,285]

4 hours ago, fred90 said:

there doesn't seem much support for the glorious 12th. 

There ill informed

[WILF 49,916]

On 09/08/2025 at 21:36, jukel123 said:

Lot of propaganda here. Ever tried running a dog on a grouse  moor? You get all sorts of silly people in fancy dress,  19th century  tweed suits doffing their caps to the gentry and threatening to shoot your dog.

They are associated with the destruction of everything in sight except grouse and only the gentry are allowed to shoot them. Birds of prey, crows, foxes and any other predator are absent. How did that happen? They are biodiversity  waste lands. All the ecological benefits are there anyway, you don't need to shoot grouse to access carbon capture. I hate grouse moors. They are the playgrounds of the aristocracy. They make me want to  vomit. It's been estimated that if you got rid of shooting syndicates for the gentry, many more jobs would be created in wild life protection, ecological research  and many  other spheres would be created.

I don't buy this jolly grouse moor, Enid Blyton bollocks around grouse moors. They are blots on the landscape. The obscenely wealthy saying "f**k you, this is our playground. Keep out!!

I can give you the flip side of that old chap…..

Here there are no keepered estates, everything is local little gun clubs made up of oiks like us…….its a f***ing wildlife wasteland compared to Scotland and England, and I mean a wasteland !

All these clowns in gun clubs cutting about like Elmer Fudd sending WhatsApp messages all over the show if they see one skinny pheasant like they have spotted the white heart ! 
 

It’s vermin, vermin and more vermin and because historically it’s all tiny little 4 acre fields because Everyman got his share back in the day when the independence was first gained you may able to shoot one 4 acre field but the other 6 blokes who own 4 acre fields around it will be wanting to call the guards or sue you for scaring their sheep ! 
 

Because there is no big estates or powerful land owners making the case for control, you can’t shoot corvids or pigeons without a very valid reason and you can’t decoy them at all ! 
So, nobody does ! 
There are crows everywhere !

Mink, pine martens, badgers, foxes all skitting in and out of massive blocks of shit Sitka spruce forestry plantation……blocks that could have made money as a shoot if a few land owners got their head together but there no culture for it and they don’t want to get sued and they probably don’t like each other !

When you go out and you see herds of deer, pheasant after pheasant, grouse, grey and red partridge, song birds, curlew…..when you are able to set up a hide on a big farm and wait as 60,000 pink foot come in for the evening or have a 100 plus bird day at the pigeons on a big pea field…..you can thank lords, keepers and big farmers for all that.

The alternative is total wank to witness boss.

As for grouse keepers and lurchers, there’s a good few learned the value of a Lurchers over the years and some cracking dogs simply because they were out killing gear right, left and centre. 

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On 10/08/2025 at 00:07, WataWalloper said:

Spot on as usual ole yin, fcuk grouse, fcuk the grouse keepers an fcuk the grouse moors, always noticed that grouse keepers seem to be the most pathetic folk in the countryside aswell, wankers the lot of them haha

Funny how people get different impressions, admittedly I don’t know 10 or 20 grouse keepers but the couple I have met were killers….they were leathering gear with lurchers, terriers, guns and traps right, left and centre.

Theres a lot of people would love to show their dogs the amount of graft them lads did. 

[TonyT 1,692]

On 09/08/2025 at 21:36, jukel123 said:

Not having a go at the thread writer orcthe fella working his fogs but lots of grpuse moor propaganda here. Ever tried running a dog on a grouse  moor? You get all sorts of silly people in fancy dress,  19th century  tweed suits ,doffing their caps to the gentry and threatening to shoot your dog.

They are associated with the destruction of everything in sight except grouse and only the gentry are allowed to shoot them. Birds of prey, crows, foxes and any other predator are absent. How did that happen? They are biodiversity  waste lands. All the ecological benefits are there anyway, you don't need to shoot grouse to access carbon capture. I hate grouse moors. They are the playgrounds of the aristocracy.  It's been estimated that if you got rid of shooting syndicates for the gentry, many more jobs would be created in wild life protection, ecological research  and many  other spheres would be created.

I don't buy this jolly grouse moor, Enid Blyton bollocks around grouse moors. They are blots on the landscape. The obscenely wealthy saying "f**k you, this is our playground. Keep out!!

Good days to be had on the moor.

you can dig all you want up there should you 

be that way inclined.

so they say anyway round some parts.

ATB T

[jukel123 9,402]

32 minutes ago, WILF said:

I can give you the flip side of that old chap…..

Here there are no keepered estates, everything is local little gun clubs made up of oiks like us…….its a f***ing wildlife wasteland compared to Scotland and England, and I mean a wasteland !

All these clowns in gun clubs cutting about like Elmer Fudd sending WhatsApp messages all over the show if they see one skinny pheasant like they have spotted the white heart ! 
 

It’s vermin, vermin and more vermin and because historically it’s all tiny little 4 acre fields because Everyman got his share back in the day when the independence was first gained you may able to shoot one 4 acre field but the other 6 blokes who own 4 acre fields around it will be wanting to call the guards or sue you for scaring their sheep ! 
 

Because there is no big estates or powerful land owners making the case for control, you can’t shoot corvids or pigeons without a very valid reason and you can’t decoy them at all ! 
So, nobody does ! 
There are crows everywhere !

Mink, pine martens, badgers, foxes all skitting in and out of massive blocks of shit Sitka spruce forestry plantation……blocks that could have made money as a shoot if a few land owners got their head together but there no culture for it and they don’t want to get sued and they probably don’t like each other !

When you go out and you see herds of deer, pheasant after pheasant, grouse, grey and red partridge, song birds, curlew…..when you are able to set up a hide on a big farm and wait as 60,000 pink foot come in for the evening or have a 100 plus bird day at the pigeons on a big pea field…..you can thank lords, keepers and big farmers for all that.

The alternative is total wank to witness boss.

As for grouse keepers and lurchers, there’s a good few learned the value of a Lurchers over the years and some cracking dogs simply because they were out killing gear right, left and centre. 

Some valid points which I accept. I used to rent a cottage on a sporting estate and the gear on it was abundant for yhe reasons you say.

They had the rights on it during the day and I claimed the rights on it at night. Fair's fair.

 

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On 09/08/2025 at 22:19, jukel123 said:

Dunno. But I do know that communities given Scottish Government money to buy out foreign landowners are thriving. Because my son lives in just such a community. 

Be great to eventually re_ introduce  lynx, maybe wolf and make salmon  rivers affordable for working class people. The Highlands weren't intended to house only red deer and grouse. That was an invention of the English aristocracy. They have been eclipsed now by incredibly rich foreigners. Something like half a dozen, non _ british people own most of the highlands. That not healthy for me and you  and definitely not healthy for ordinary Scots mate. The Highlands used to be densely forested,now they are over grazed, stripped bare by red deer to be shot by the aristocracy. The grouse moors are the same ..artificial creations for the super rich.  

I was invited to go stalking up near Alberfeldy last November. I seen a total contrast to everything you have just posted.

To have it right, ALL upland areas in the British Isles used to be densely forested, but were stripped bare for grazing, hundreds of years before the gun was ever invented.

 

[Black neck 17,285]

3 minutes ago, Bosun11 said:

I was invited to go stalking up near Alberfeldy last November. I seen a total contrast to everything you have just posted.

To have it right, ALL upland areas in the British Isles used to be densely forested, but were stripped bare for grazing, hundreds of years before the gun was ever invented.

 

Oh your doing that all wrong lar

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1 minute ago, Black neck said:

Oh your doing that all wrong lar

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[Black neck 17,285]

8 minutes ago, Bosun11 said:

???

I dont know 

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18 minutes ago, Bosun11 said:

I was invited to go stalking up near Alberfeldy last November. I seen a total contrast to everything you have just posted.

To have it right, ALL upland areas in the British Isles used to be densely forested, but were stripped bare for grazing, hundreds of years before the gun was ever invented.

 

I was working up near there about 12 year back, staying in some beautiful wooden lodges in a place called Dull. You could see all the red deer on the hills/mountains beside the lodge.

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1 hour ago, Bosun11 said:

I was invited to go stalking up near Alberfeldy last November. I seen a total contrast to everything you have just posted.

To have it right, ALL upland areas in the British Isles used to be densely forested, but were stripped bare for grazing, hundreds of years before the gun was ever invented.

 

A lad I know was a young keeper on the hill in his youth, he has this cracking picture of him and the head keeper snowed in at his cottage….it was like almost at the top of his cottage door.

Had brilliant photos of him bringing beats off the hill on the back of a pony and stuff like that. 

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7 hours ago, WILF said:

A lad I know was a young keeper on the hill in his youth, he has this cracking picture of him and the head keeper snowed in at his cottage….it was like almost at the top of his cottage door.

Had brilliant photos of him bringing beats off the hill on the back of a pony and stuff like that. 

It was one hell of an experience mate. To follow a professional stalker trying to hit his cull quota was tough. I really wasn't sure what to expect, so kept an open mind. Donnie is in his late 60's, but he can move up the steepest glen like the very beasts we were stalking. Driving the bottom roads, pausing to gaze up, and as soon as deer were spotted we were going up, vertical, direct, no paths, no routes, just direct. On a couple of stalks, Donnie would say " this isn't going to be fun", and boy was he right..!

Gralloched where they fell, it fed the foxes on the hill. Some of the poorer specimens were split to feed the eagles and foxes. Who, I was told were now struggling in the Glen's, because of the lack of sheep up there.

Bringing the beasts down wasn't fun either. Just hook em through the bottom jaw and drag. Bring careful they don't gain momentum and level you, or worse still, flying past, dragging you over an edge..!

He could/would do this up to six times a day if needed. Thankfully taking me with him, we only ever managed three times once. I've never been so tired.

The deer were taken back to be hung in a cold room on the estate. Then Donnie would take the heads and feet back. Climbing the hill, to again feed the foxes and the eagles. Nothing was wasted. It all had to balance...