APBT. We’re have they gone…

[Pardus 1,430]

6 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

again mate something only getting 2-3-4 matches in its life isn’t really in the position to quit is it unless its no gameness 

most quit threw tiredness or been overmatched well in other dogs may be different in gamedogs

Yeah, most will quit from exhaustion, running too hot, going in to shock, but it's the essence of gameness that sets them apart from other breeds, without it they'd be just another mutt on the street.

[mC HULL 15,082]

13 minutes ago, Pardus said:

Yeah, most will quit from exhaustion, running too hot, going in to shock, but it's the essence of gameness that sets them apart from other breeds, without it they'd be just another mutt on the street.

but there breeding to type mate surely so most should be game ? it would be ability sets them apart ? 

or is it rare a dog is game ? 

[Aussie Whip 4,278]

6 hours ago, mC HULL said:

if  you breed right more pop up with more frequency mate so i’d sort of disagree 

I doubt you'd get anything as good as the champion chance bred freak from using it for breeding, that's why these dogmen concentrate on and highly value dogs from proven lines.

[gnasher16 30,880]

On 12/05/2025 at 11:18, mC HULL said:

mate  you sorted me ten to fifteen  pups give me a year an half and i’d smoke out on the rounds lol  dogs are dogs you want the freaks and the ones just love killing  the rest need gone well thats my take on it anyway gnash 

i get asked every week to go with mates digging i’ll pop to ireland next year with me pal see what his  dogs are up to no bother but i like the been about dogs the coursing mutt is the hardest to get threw the season take the most work 

 

why would i want to or keep something sub standard ? 

Like i said before " a roll is a test of the dog,a match is a test of the man "

As a famous old dogman once said " Give me a truly game dog with no mouth or ability and i'll beat your sorry ass 99 times out of 100 "

Its a funny thing with those freaks when you sit around scratching your head and your arse at the same time wondering how this fast lane high ability wrecking machine suddenly quit on top ....and its usually called breeding.

The fact that you would need 15 pups to find a good one tells me you dont know much about that either 

[Pardus 1,430]

5 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

Like i said before " a roll is a test of the dog,a match is a test of the man "

As a famous old dogman once said " Give me a truly game dog with no mouth or ability and i'll beat your sorry ass 99 times out of 100 "

Its a funny thing with those freaks when you sit around scratching your head and your arse at the same time wondering how this fast lane high ability wrecking machine suddenly quit on top ....and its usually called breeding.

The fact that you would need 15 pups to find a good one tells me you dont know much about that either 

He said if you tidied the line up with a coursing bred you'd have 15 gamedogs.

[gnasher16 30,880]

On 14/05/2025 at 18:24, Pardus said:

He said if you tidied the line up with a coursing bred you'd have 15 gamedogs.

Lost me 

[mC HULL 15,082]

On 14/05/2025 at 12:52, gnasher16 said:

Like i said before " a roll is a test of the dog,a match is a test of the man "

As a famous old dogman once said " Give me a truly game dog with no mouth or ability and i'll beat your sorry ass 99 times out of 100 "

Its a funny thing with those freaks when you sit around scratching your head and your arse at the same time wondering how this fast lane high ability wrecking machine suddenly quit on top ....and its usually called breeding.

The fact that you would need 15 pups to find a good one tells me you dont know much about that either 

15 aint a lot to work with id want something to just rip threw everything mate. what goods a game dog with nothing else when it’s stomach out ? 

i had em i wouldnt have a winner one or 2 in me life i’d have one everyday of every year i was at it lol 

[mC HULL 15,082]

 

On 14/05/2025 at 18:24, Pardus said:

He said if you tidied the line up with a coursing bred you'd have 15 gamedogs.

i’d beat them with this old bitch shes about 14 now lol 

i i was gonna ring around get a few pups in just to show the lads a real game dog but in 18 month i can see gnasher saying if only that was last year or if only i had so and so lol 

it would be the best conditioned dog most ripped in shape to ever enter a box lol 

 

no seriously gnash out of interested how many would make good in a litter roughly 2 plus 3 plus ? how many pups would you get in to look for a real un ? 

 

[gunter 1,219]

1 hour ago, mC HULL said:

 

i’d beat them with this old bitch shes about 14 now lol 

i i was gonna ring around get a few pups in just to show the lads a real game dog but in 18 month i can see gnasher saying if only that was last year or if only i had so and so lol 

it would be the best conditioned dog most ripped in shape to ever enter a box lol 

 

no seriously gnash out of interested how many would make good in a litter roughly 2 plus 3 plus ? how many pups would you get in to look for a real un ? 

 

mchull if you think coursing is bitchy you haven't seen nothing lol 

The best conditioned most ripped to hit a box I tell you its just my opinion some of them men  genuinely put some work and some amount of time into them to get them match fit and you'd learn a trick or two from them  like there dedicated to there animals they don't won't to let there dog down or not have it hundred  percent 

If you bred your saluki how many world beaters would you get its dogs out of any type of dog your never going to get every pup in the litter a world beater breed hard cull even harder as long as you keep putting the best to the best and keeping the best and not kidding yourself you should be able to keep a line going once you've got yourself a foundation to build it on 

[Pardus 1,430]

1 hour ago, mC HULL said:

 

i’d beat them with this old bitch shes about 14 now lol 

i i was gonna ring around get a few pups in just to show the lads a real game dog but in 18 month i can see gnasher saying if only that was last year or if only i had so and so lol 

it would be the best conditioned dog most ripped in shape to ever enter a box lol 

 

no seriously gnash out of interested how many would make good in a litter roughly 2 plus 3 plus ? how many pups would you get in to look for a real un ? 

 

She'd last about 1-2 mins with some barnstormers mate.

[gunter 1,219]

On 14/05/2025 at 12:52, gnasher16 said:

Like i said before " a roll is a test of the dog,a match is a test of the man "

As a famous old dogman once said " Give me a truly game dog with no mouth or ability and i'll beat your sorry ass 99 times out of 100 "

Its a funny thing with those freaks when you sit around scratching your head and your arse at the same time wondering how this fast lane high ability wrecking machine suddenly quit on top ....and its usually called breeding.

The fact that you would need 15 pups to find a good one tells me you dont know much about that either 

 No mouth no ability I get what your saying but if you think about it when your going in for your match your going to be going against other truly game dogs once you've got that dog with no mouth and no ability against proper dogs going for the win your no mouth and no ability will start to show gameness is what your after but if it doesn't have the mouth and doesn't have that ability to back it up  that dog is going to run into hot water once it's meets its match for gameness against another one as game with a good mouth and ability it will finish curs off other dogs that lack the ability Mouth I'd rather keep the game one with a mouth and ability to finish it off 

[mC HULL 15,082]

3 hours ago, gunter said:

mchull if you think coursing is bitchy you haven't seen nothing lol 

The best conditioned most ripped to hit a box I tell you its just my opinion some of them men  genuinely put some work and some amount of time into them to get them match fit and you'd learn a trick or two from them  like there dedicated to there animals they don't won't to let there dog down or not have it hundred  percent 

If you bred your saluki how many world beaters would you get its dogs out of any type of dog your never going to get every pup in the litter a world beater breed hard cull even harder as long as you keep putting the best to the best and keeping the best and not kidding yourself you should be able to keep a line going once you've got yourself a foundation to build it on 

some have them mint no doubt mate i enjoy talking listening about conditioning 

i was wondering from what i have seen the terrier throw more per litter end uo descent dogs 

coursing wise 1-2 from a litter i’d be happy 

[Pardus 1,430]

Just now, mC HULL said:

some have them mint no doubt mate i enjoy talking listening about conditioning 

i was wondering from what i have seen the terrier throw more per litter end uo descent dogs 

coursing wise 1-2 from a litter i’d be happy 

I read somewhere about 25%, all depends on the litter doesn't it

[gunter 1,219]

6 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

some have them mint no doubt mate i enjoy talking listening about conditioning 

i was wondering from what i have seen the terrier throw more per litter end uo descent dogs 

coursing wise 1-2 from a litter i’d be happy 

Mchull this is being honest and other people may not agree but your into coursing so you bred a litter you give them to lads who properly course them and test them out of a litter you get 2 good animals I'd be happy ...you give them pups to other men who don't test them odd run here and there  they'll  tell you there world beaters whole litter worked well I'd rather them with men that would test them and only keep the best ..... see terriers there no different out of a litter of terriers I'd be happy getting two good ones people will tell you everyone worked yes but to what standard every litter will have duds in it just some people don't test them and find them I beleave you have to use the best to get the best but you'll get failure which is no problem it shows the mans testing them good blood lines and tight breeding help I think even when using someone's dog over the bitch do your homework use a man's dog who has the same thinking as yourself and you know keeps and  tests them breeds workers and cares about what there doing   as you always remove the weak and keep breeding to the best don't get kennel blind

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Back on the gameness, a dog winning matches might not be that game at all. It could just have a crushing strong bite and good style but if it's matched against another dog with those qualities plus gameness, it will lose. I think that's why gameness is bred for first in these dogs.