No restriction on lead for live quarry

[jeemes 3,547]

The HSE opinion is no restriction on lead for rifles shooting live quarry and no restriction on air gun ammo. Thats a relief. 

[FOXHUNTER 5,020]

23 minutes ago, jeemes said:

The HSE opinion is no restriction on lead for rifles shooting live quarry and no restriction on air gun ammo. Thats a relief. 

That's the proposal but lead shot to be banned with a 5yr transition period. 

Consultation ends in December so still have to wait and see

 

[jeemes 3,547]

Prefer negative news!!!  I should have guessed. If it had been a blanket ban there would be pages of replies. Predictable but sad.

[paddyluke 530]

On 25/10/2023 at 19:06, FOXHUNTER said:

That's the proposal but lead shot to be banned with a 5yr transition period. 

Consultation ends in December so still have to wait and see

 

it's what BASC has been calling for !

[FOXHUNTER 5,020]

Yep betrayed by BASC

[paddyluke 530]

8 minutes ago, FOXHUNTER said:

Yep betrayed by BASC

A joint statement on the future of shotgun ammunition for live quarry shooting - BASC

BASC.ORG.UK

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Together we wish to see an end to both lead and single-use plastics in ammunition used by those taking all live...

Shooting and rural organisations take responsibility of move away from lead ammunition - BASC

BASC.ORG.UK

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Shooting and rural organisations announce five-year transition away from lead shot and single-use plastics...

 

[Deker 3,453]

I'm lost here, so what will they introduce lead free for???

[paddyluke 530]

18 minutes ago, Deker said:

I'm lost here, so what will they introduce lead free for???

shotguns

[Deker 3,453]

20 hours ago, paddyluke said:

shotguns

Perhaps I wasn't very clear....

I meant what in rifle cartridges if not hunting?  There seems little point in just target as that is controlled and commonly the lead/whatever is filtered from the backstops eventually anyway!

 Are you suggesting lead free will be thrown out altogether for rifle/pistol cartridges???

[philpot 4,928]

On 19/11/2023 at 08:38, Deker said:

Perhaps I wasn't very clear....

I meant what in rifle cartridges if not hunting?  There seems little point in just target as that is controlled and commonly the lead/whatever is filtered from the backstops eventually anyway!

 Are you suggesting lead free will be thrown out altogether for rifle/pistol cartridges???

I think we just have to sit on our hands and wait until the plan is CONFIRMED by the HSE. Don't expect BASC to do much for us as they have not so far. My local rfd has shipped out a shed load of rimfire rifles, .22lr, .17 hmr and a few .22 mag. These have gone to a certain importer of shotguns, rifles and expensive air rifles for them to ship out to a third world country and the price was tiny per gun, if the HSE DO allow rimfire to remain on lead (as there is NO substitute to lead for rimfire or airgun), the second hand value will start to climb again. I had been toying with selling my Tikka .22lr and my Sako .17 with a .22 mag barrel but my rfd and one other I have spoken to simply will not take them in...................... My fingers are well and truely crossed.

Phil

[FOXHUNTER 5,020]

Yep all we can do is wait and see and then reevaluate. 

 

[philpot 4,928]

Just got this last night.

Phil

Lead ban consultation now has rifle ammo in its sights

Felix Petit

December 27, 2023

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Shooting organisations have reacted with fury as HSE seeks to reduce the transition period and include rifle ammunition for live quarry.

The Health and Safety Executive (HSE) has closed its 60-day public consultation on the socioeconomic effects of a ban on lead ammunition. The consultation includes questions on the banning of lead rifle ammunition and moots a reduced transition period away from lead shot. 

Following the consultation on the banning of lead ammunition in 2022, the proposed restrictions were: none for lead airgun pellets, a proposed ban within five years for lead shot for live quarry and target shooting, and no restriction for rifle ammunition for live quarry. The initial consultation garnered 2,759 responses. 

The latest public consultation, which ended at midnight on 10 December, focused on reducing the transition period away from lead shot and the potential inclusion of lead rifle ammunition for live quarry in the ban. 

Lead shot was banned for shooting ducks and other wetland birds by the Labour government in 1999. 

The shooting community has been campaigning for a voluntary transition away from lead shot and single-use plastics in shotgun ammunition for live-quarry shooting over a five-year period. However, the HSE is considering reducing this period to as little as two years. 

Shooting organisations have urged the HSE to take into account the world shortage of components due to the war in Ukraine. This most recent consultation contained only two questions and a space for general comments. The lack of breadth of the questions has been criticised by stakeholders from both sides of the debate. 

Mark Avery, former head of conservation for the RSPB, made his strident response to the consultation public. “Your question fails to meet the standards for a proper public consultation,” he asserted. “You have not explained what this is all about, you have not explained ‘WTP’, ‘secondary poisoning’ or ‘monetised’ and you are therefore excluding many potential respondents in a public consultation.” 

Terry Behan, BASC director for eastern region, told Shooting Times: “We were disappointed at the lack of questions on the impact of the proposed restriction on shooting. BASC has put in an extensive response* underlining the need for self-regulation.” 

The GWCT’s Mike Swan said: “I hope lots of people have expressed their view, and the HSE gets a loud and clear message that there is no need to legislate against lead shot when we are well on the way voluntarily.”