Migrants

[Pardus 1,610]

8 minutes ago, mackem said:

North Korea is where its at.

The land of the free lol.

I have enjoyed Poland every time I have visited, I'd live there. But looking at things realistically, things can't be that great or else millions wouldn't have emigrated. Not everyone is a company director living the good life, when you live out in the sticks jobs are few and far between. Village folk tend to do seasonal work if they don't run a farm. Things are improving rapidly mind and if you have the right head for things there is serious money to be made I should imagine.

[mackem 29,521]

4 minutes ago, Pardus said:

I have enjoyed Poland every time I have visited, I'd live there. But looking at things realistically, things can't be that great or else millions wouldn't have emigrated. 

Most countries look great when on holiday,living there for longer periods you start to see the flaws.

[Pardus 1,610]

13 minutes ago, mackem said:

Most countries look great when on holiday,living there for longer periods you start to see the flaws.

Yep, it's easy to look at things from a different perspective. Not so good when you have no work and have to provide for your family.

We visited because our lasses aunt just died, we ended up staying in her other aunt's apartment who couldn't make the funeral because she's working in Germany as a carer. She goes in a minibus there and it's a 12 hour drive without the drop-offs. Lol

[WILF 49,649]

Moving anywhere is a trade off I would imagine……

The calculation imho is always:

Do the things you value outweigh the things you don’t like ? 
It ain’t always about the money……if you’re chasing money you have to go where money is, trouble with that is that it’s often not the best place to actually live, raise kids, not be around madness or degradation.

If you want to live amongst ordinary people who look like you, broadly share your values, don’t behave like animals then you have to accept you may be financially poorer, you may not have a brand new Audi and all the bells and trinkets we associate with “doing well” in this shallow act we call the U.K…….but you may be richer than you could have dreamed of in every other regard. 
Many U.K. people have Stockholm’s syndrome about the U.K…….if you can beat that, you can go anywhere and enjoy life 

[Pardus 1,610]

2 minutes ago, WILF said:

Moving anywhere is a trade off I would imagine……

The calculation imho is always:

Do the things you value outweigh the things you don’t like ? 
It ain’t always about the money……if you’re chasing money you have to go where money is, trouble with that is that it’s often not the best place to actually live, raise kids, not be around madness or degradation.

If you want to live amongst ordinary people who look like you, broadly share your values, don’t behave like animals then you have to accept you may be financially poorer, you may not have a brand new Audi and all the bells and trinkets we associate with “doing well” in this shallow act we call the U.K…….but you may be richer than you could have dreamed of in every other regard. 
Many U.K. people have Stockholm’s syndrome about the U.K…….if you can beat that, you can go anywhere and enjoy life 

But the thing is, most of us in reality aren't really that affected by these issues if we are being honest. Granted, it could be just around the corner for any of us but the risks are still relatively very low.

[WILF 49,649]

4 minutes ago, Pardus said:

Yep, it's easy to look at things from a different perspective. Not so good when you have no work and have to provide for your family.

We visited because our lasses aunt just died, we ended up staying in her other aunt's apartment who couldn't make the funeral because she's working in Germany as a carer. She goes in a minibus there and it's a 12 hour drive without the drop-offs. Lol

You have to ask yourself, how is everyone else getting by ?…….because there is always ways and means.

Theres an English lad up the road to me, he is a lagger and just flys home when a contract comes along….works for a month or two on price and then that’s it, flys back and has 6 months off doing whatever he wants because his money gos so much further.

Europe is small, you can get round it as quick as you can commute into any major U.K. city 

[WILF 49,649]

1 minute ago, Pardus said:

But the thing is, most of us in reality aren't really that affected by these issues if we are being honest. Granted, it could be just around the corner for any of us but the risks are still relatively very low.

Of course you are affected, everyone is but it’s a question of “can you tolerate it?” 
If you can and/or you like it then great, no reason to look anywhere else…..but if you can’t then it’s very doable as long as you are willing to make adjustments…..that’s all I’m saying.

[WILF 49,649]

41 minutes ago, Pardus said:

The land of the free lol.

I have enjoyed Poland every time I have visited, I'd live there. But looking at things realistically, things can't be that great or else millions wouldn't have emigrated. Not everyone is a company director living the good life, when you live out in the sticks jobs are few and far between. Village folk tend to do seasonal work if they don't run a farm. Things are improving rapidly mind and if you have the right head for things there is serious money to be made I should imagine.

I was on business in Poland, Posnan (spel ?) to be exact…..I thought it was lovely.

Clean, modern, industry all making and doing things from chairs to combine harvesters, historic, social in the town centre, felt safe….nice atmosphere all round.

Had one cabbie try his luck for a fare, but “f**k off” is a universal language and it never caused a problem.

Everything was cheap, Sterling went a long way when converted to Zloti….good all round from what I could see

[Pardus 1,610]

8 minutes ago, WILF said:

I was on business in Poland, Posnan (spel ?) to be exact…..I thought it was lovely.

Clean, modern, industry all making and doing things from chairs to combine harvesters, historic, social in the town centre, felt safe….nice atmosphere all round.

Had one cabbie try his luck for a fare, but “f**k off” is a universal language and it never caused a problem.

Everything was cheap, Sterling went a long way when converted to Zloti….good all round from what I could see

That's where we flew to and been staying for the last few days. Her cousin and aunt live on the outskirts of Poznan, around 20 mins from the city centre. The city is lovely, didn't get to visit it this time but yes, you walk around with your kids without a worry whatsoever.

They are all from further north though, around 100 miles and 3 hour drive, I actually prefer it up there, better away from the hustle and bustle.

As for cheap, some things are and some things aren't, you get a lot more bang for your buck with essentials like food, but things like clothes, electronics, cars, all very expensive relatively speaking.

I would move there no doubt, but the language barrier is the biggest obstacle, if I was really serious about moving I'd have to really knuckle down and get my head screwed on, not sure I have enough remaining grey matter for that at 40+ lol.

[WILF 49,649]

8 minutes ago, Pardus said:

That's where we flew to and been staying for the last few days. Her cousin and aunt live on the outskirts of Poznan, around 20 mins from the city centre. The city is lovely, didn't get to visit it this time but yes, you walk around with your kids without a worry whatsoever.

They are all from further north though, around 100 miles and 3 hour drive, I actually prefer it up there, better away from the hustle and bustle.

As for cheap, some things are and some things aren't, you get a lot more bang for your buck with essentials like food, but things like clothes, electronics, cars, all very expensive relatively speaking.

I would move there no doubt, but the language barrier is the biggest obstacle, if I was really serious about moving I'd have to really knuckle down and get my head screwed on, not sure I have enough remaining grey matter for that at 40+ lol.

Don’t know if it’s warm there at the moment but they had a lovely cafe/bar/arts area by the river there…..really nice, good mixture of people of all ages, family's, all sitting and enjoying food and music.

As for language, you get by, everyone speaks English and you soon pick stuff up…..

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23 minutes ago, Bendigo said:

How’s it going Ben? You still doing bits?

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2 hours ago, Elliotstool said:

How’s it going Ben? You still doing bits?

Bits of what? 

Yeah bits and bobs I suppose. 

Lot of new members on here. 

 

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1 minute ago, Bendigo said:

Bits of what? 

Yeah bits and bobs I suppose. 

Lot of new members on here. 

 

How’s the family mate hope to get up to Lancashire next season 

[Bendigo 741]

1 hour ago, Elliotstool said:

How’s the family mate hope to get up to Lancashire next season 

Have we met?