Net zero

[kanny 21,694]

Doh! 

Net zero targets could trigger 'mass hunger and displacement across the world', charity warns

NEWS.SKY.COM

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Relying on land to offset climate heating carbon emissions would require more than all the...

 

[Greb147 6,810]

It just depresses me reading stuff like that. We're going to blow it whatever we do and won't stop until it's too late. 

[kanny 21,694]

2 hours ago, Greb147 said:

It just depresses me reading stuff like that. We're going to blow it whatever we do and won't stop until it's too late. 

What I'm taking from the article is that the schedule is wrong , changes need to be made incrementally  over generations , not these  knee jerk  reactions,  it's an issue  that needs addressing yes, but it ain't no  EMERGENCY. 

[Gypsydog94 4,708]

I visited the aquarium couple weeks back. And they had displays all about how much the oceans absorb and it is suppose to be twice as much then that is on land. But nobody is pledging to stop local water authorities pumping raw sewage into rivers. And I know farmers are not squeaky clean.

[DIDO.1 22,864]

The whole thing is a con. Britain is responsible for 1.1% of global emissions, if we went carbon neutral tomorrow we would make fck all difference. Yet are we putting any pressure on global polluters to stop it? Are we fck. We are filling their order books! 

We have destroyed our steel industry because its dirty and uses lots of energy, are we using less steel . No we just import it from the other side of the world! 

We are taking petrol and diesel cars of the road. When we passed our tests we drove 250 quid bangers and learnt to keep em going by visiting the scrap yard. Now when a kid passes their test they either have a be bought a first car by parents or the wait until they start work and get signed up to finance. That's what it's all about, getting us on finance, not saving the planet. 

Local moorlands that are owned by water companies are driving farmers and keepers from the land. Rewinding and planting tress is the call, save the planet! Yet the moorlands are tinder boxes that burn for days at a time each year. Yet local companies can offset their carbon by buying trees to plant. Remember the land as pasture and moorland was already secreting carbon before, and employing people and producing food. Now companies don't need to produce less carbon, they just pay for some trees to plant on the moorland to add fuel to the wildfires. Food for the nation? Nah just buy it from the other side of the world! 

Apparently black lives matter? Well unfortunately not if your a kid in Africa, mining elements for batteries and releasing heavy metals into rivers and the oceans. 

Whole things a con and Britain is falling for it quicker than any other developed country on the planet 

 

[WILF 50,325]

39 minutes ago, DIDO.1 said:

The whole thing is a con. Britain is responsible for 1.1% of global emissions, if we went carbon neutral tomorrow we would make fck all difference. Yet are we putting any pressure on global polluters to stop it? Are we fck. We are filling their order books! 

We have destroyed our steel industry because its dirty and uses lots of energy, are we using less steel . No we just import it from the other side of the world! 

We are taking petrol and diesel cars of the road. When we passed our tests we drove 250 quid bangers and learnt to keep em going by visiting the scrap yard. Now when a kid passes their test they either have a be bought a first car by parents or the wait until they start work and get signed up to finance. That's what it's all about, getting us on finance, not saving the planet. 

Local moorlands that are owned by water companies are driving farmers and keepers from the land. Rewinding and planting tress is the call, save the planet! Yet the moorlands are tinder boxes that burn for days at a time each year. Yet local companies can offset their carbon by buying trees to plant. Remember the land as pasture and moorland was already secreting carbon before, and employing people and producing food. Now companies don't need to produce less carbon, they just pay for some trees to plant on the moorland to add fuel to the wildfires. Food for the nation? Nah just buy it from the other side of the world! 

Apparently black lives matter? Well unfortunately not if your a kid in Africa, mining elements for batteries and releasing heavy metals into rivers and the oceans. 

Whole things a con and Britain is falling for it quicker than any other developed country on the planet 

 

Brilliant post mate, that’s about the strength of it…..it’s a total f***ing 3 card trick.

I read that article and it mentions afforestation but to me it’s how they do it that matters.

Over here they have planted massive blocks of mono culture Sitka spruce….it’s total shit, nothing lives under it and I mean nothing !

It not like a normal forest with broadleaf canopy and a diverse mixture of plants on the forest floor…..it’s a dead moonscape at ground level.

That just can’t be as good as natural forest, surely and it can’t be packing away as much carbon either ? 
 

Meanwhile, they continue to build hundreds of thousands of acres of concrete box estates all over the show ?

Its total fecking insanity !

[Gypsydog94 4,708]

20 minutes ago, WILF said:

Brilliant post mate, that’s about the strength of it…..it’s a total f***ing 3 card trick.

I read that article and it mentions afforestation but to me it’s how they do it that matters.

Over here they have planted massive blocks of mono culture Sitka spruce….it’s total shit, nothing lives under it and I mean nothing !

It not like a normal forest with broadleaf canopy and a diverse mixture of plants on the forest floor…..it’s a dead moonscape at ground level.

That just can’t be as good as natural forest, surely and it can’t be packing away as much carbon either ? 
 

Meanwhile, they continue to build hundreds of thousands of acres of concrete box estates all over the show ?

Its total fecking insanity !

25 years time they will be felling it for profit. Telling farmers to plant trees guaranteed 10 year payment. Don’t take a genius to work Out what’s going to happen if they stop payment 

[WILF 50,325]

1 hour ago, Gypsydog94 said:

I visited the aquarium couple weeks back. And they had displays all about how much the oceans absorb and it is suppose to be twice as much then that is on land. But nobody is pledging to stop local water authorities pumping raw sewage into rivers. And I know farmers are not squeaky clean.

Agricultural practice is (and I don’t believe intentionally by farmers) definitely one of the worst perpetrators.

Mono culture crops, chemical nitrogen fertiliser, ploughing ! 
 

Even a mono culture will sequester carbon but as soon as you break soil again with a plough and destroy the root structure all that carbon is released back into the atmosphere.

It also destroys the life in the soil and so it has to be kept artificially alive with chemical fertilisers  !

As I said, it’s insanity !

[Daniel cain 48,913]

2 hours ago, Gypsydog94 said:

I visited the aquarium couple weeks back. And they had displays all about how much the oceans absorb and it is suppose to be twice as much then that is on land. But nobody is pledging to stop local water authorities pumping raw sewage into rivers. And I know farmers are not squeaky clean.

Last 3/4 yrs the river Wye has suffered real bad...weed dieing off,shitty brown tinge to the water and fishing has dropped off dramatically NRA are about as much use as a cock flavoured lollypop ...my money's on the amount of chicken farms/units along the upper reaches allowing waste to wash in...club closed the fishing this season as it's got that bad

[Gypsydog94 4,708]

52 minutes ago, WILF said:

Agricultural practice is (and I don’t believe intentionally by farmers) definitely one of the worst perpetrators.

Mono culture crops, chemical nitrogen fertiliser, ploughing ! 
 

Even a mono culture will sequester carbon but as soon as you break soil again with a plough and destroy the root structure all that carbon is released back into the atmosphere.

It also destroys the life in the soil and so it has to be kept artificially alive with chemical fertilisers  !

As I said, it’s insanity !

That’s why farmers are using a lot more direct drilling. But ploughing has its place. 

[Gypsydog94 4,708]

38 minutes ago, Daniel cain said:

Last 3/4 yrs the river Wye has suffered real bad...weed dieing off,shitty brown tinge to the water and fishing has dropped off dramatically NRA are about as much use as a cock flavoured lollypop ...my money's on the amount of chicken farms/units along the upper reaches allowing waste to wash in...club closed the fishing this season as it's got that bad

I seen most pollution coming out of chicken farms.

[WILF 50,325]

2 minutes ago, Gypsydog94 said:

That’s why farmers are using a lot more direct drilling. But ploughing has its place. 

I think a few are starting to get on board with better and dare I say more traditional methods ?, mixed lays, over sowing, multi species, no dig.

Building soil health, lowering inputs.

Farmers ain’t the enemy, the system is the enemy here imho.

[Gypsydog94 4,708]

4 minutes ago, WILF said:

I think a few are starting to get on board with better and dare I say more traditional methods ?, mixed lays, over sowing, multi species, no dig.

Building soil health, lowering inputs.

Farmers ain’t the enemy, the system is the enemy here imho.

I think farmers take the blame tbh. I blame the processors. Milk companies telling farmers they will lose there contract unless they can fill a milk lorry to save cost. The back lash of that is being forced to be more intensive and hammer everything out the land. Cattle farmers lucky to make £20 on a beast making them keep big numbers. Simple thing is if farmers got more money for there produce they wouldn’t need the numbers being able to keep less for same money. But then you always have the greedy ones that will keep more

[WILF 50,325]

24 minutes ago, Gypsydog94 said:

I think farmers take the blame tbh. I blame the processors. Milk companies telling farmers they will lose there contract unless they can fill a milk lorry to save cost. The back lash of that is being forced to be more intensive and hammer everything out the land. Cattle farmers lucky to make £20 on a beast making them keep big numbers. Simple thing is if farmers got more money for there produce they wouldn’t need the numbers being able to keep less for same money. But then you always have the greedy ones that will keep more

They nicked that share of household income mate to go off and play with, we used to spend 40% more on food and could do so because other stuff wasn’t as expensive.

As I said, the blame lays squarely at the feet of the system……the same people who make the system are now telling you that you have to pay more to Compensate for the damage that system does !

Are alarm bells sounding to anyone yet ? Lol  

Edited August 4, 2021 by WILF

[Gypsydog94 4,708]

6 minutes ago, WILF said:

That nicked that share of household income mate to go off and play with, we used to spend 40% more on food and could do so because other stuff wasn’t as expensive.

As I said, the blame lays squarely at the feet of the system……the same people who make the system are now telling you that you have to pay more to Compensate for the damage that system does !

Are alarm bells sounding to anyone yet ? Lol  

Like the nvz ban. Can go spreading slurry in pissing down with rain as long as you don’t go past a certain date. Day after the ban dry for two weeks but you spread slurry you get raped. Some knobhead in a office Callander farming with a degree. It’s shite