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Yes ,slowly at first the pockets started to grow & have now reach high levels up from 80% kill on the first release. The virus still does a great job in 90% of the land in New Zealand  . Whil

My hobby turned into a full time job about 25 years ago & to me about the only differences is I now get paid .I work for myself as a contractor ,I cover 100,000 Acers,as long as I'm active  how I

To be truthful the Central Otago hills shouldn't have been farmed in the first place  ,its all rocks with little top soil, great for growing grapes these days .It is for the most part covered in canes

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On 08/05/2021 at 03:33, SheepChaser said:

The issue is a lot of it isn’t very populated land abs some not so drivable. Central otago is sheep country. 

To be truthful the Central Otago hills shouldn't have been farmed in the first place  ,its all rocks with little top soil, great for growing grapes these days .It is for the most part covered in canes of bier and weeds. Driveable tracks  are far  & few ,a horse would be useful & this is what the old rabbiters used to carry supplies & traps out to their camps during the winter when they were trapping for skins  . Story's are told of whole farms being brought with a cheque from the sale of rabbit skins in the 40s & 50s  .Rabbit population's exploded during the war years when all the fit men went over seas fighting . What ever you think would work sitting back in England however there are factors too many to list that makes finding a answer to the problem  hard ,rabbit control can be done but it comes at huge cost ,moneys some just don't have .As selfish as it might appear I don't want them to get on top of them ,I want there to be rabbits about because history has shown us once the population's fall all control stops and along with that goes my living & lifestyle . 

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9 hours ago, toolebox said:

To be truthful the Central Otago hills shouldn't have been farmed in the first place  ,its all rocks with little top soil, great for growing grapes these days .It is for the most part covered in canes of bier and weeds. Driveable tracks  are far  & few ,a horse would be useful & this is what the old rabbiters used to carry supplies & traps out to their camps during the winter when they were trapping for skins  . Story's are told of whole farms being brought with a cheque from the sale of rabbit skins in the 40s & 50s  .Rabbit population's exploded during the war years when all the fit men went over seas fighting . What ever you think would work sitting back in England however there are factors too many to list that makes finding a answer to the problem  hard ,rabbit control can be done but it comes at huge cost ,moneys some just don't have .As selfish as it might appear I don't want them to get on top of them ,I want there to be rabbits about because history has shown us once the population's fall all control stops and along with that goes my living & lifestyle . 

From what you have said and from the videos you posted it seems the method that worked the best was 1080 poisoning and with that now not happening it seems that long term the rabbits aren’t going anywhere. The numbers will no doubt fluctuate especially with the disease factor but they have been there 200 years and survived everything thrown at them so my guess would be your safe in your job! Top thread this by the way, keep the tales from the other side of the world coming!

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3 hours ago, Bobtheferret said:

it seems the method that worked the best was 1080 poisoning and with that now not happening it seems that long term the rabbits aren’t going anywhere.

That's good, over here they aerial bait wild dogs with it, it kills heaps of native animals and birds including Wedgetailed eagles. Good luck hunting with dogs in the areas baited. They should ban it.

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8 hours ago, Aussie Whip said:

That's good, over here they aerial bait wild dogs with it, it kills heaps of native animals and birds including Wedgetailed eagles. Good luck hunting with dogs in the areas baited. They should ban it.

I completely agree, I hate poison in any form tbh there’s always far to much collateral damage and horrible slow death. Was just a comment to toolebox that with no poison being used hopefully the rabbits stay and he keeps his job! 

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1080 is still being used in huge amounts these days but possums in bush land are the target ,paid for by the nz government .A number of years ago rabbit boards that were funded by a 50%  50%spit between rates from landowners and the government, used 1080 but those boards have been long disbanded .There is the odd drop done by some land owner's but its no longer the go to option because the block has to be destocked for about 2 months, and its costs ,so more user friendlier methods are more popular now.  Most of these problem population's are living in or close to towns ,so shooting & poisons are out ,leaving people pondering what can be done. This has come about because most of those involved in rabbit board control have long passed & there are now very few people left that know much about rabbits if anything in general ,this has been replaced with a number of old wives tails of what rabbits do & what they like .That's the major different   between people from the UK ,Scotland, and Ireland, you still do in the sport as you have always done ,in NZ there are so very few people that know anything or are interested to find out ,so in at least the short term nothing is going to change, there will always be good numbers of rabbits to chase ,after that I will be well gone & it wont matter .

Ps if I'm looking at new place that has a rabbit problem in central   & I find out the the neighbour  has used 1080 within the last 4 years ,I just shake my head & say sorry I value my dogs /mates too much ,to risk them dying from 1080 so sorry I'm not interested in taking on this job .......good luck ...bye ... I've only had one dog die of 1080 poisoning & ONCE was more than enough for me thanks .

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4 hours ago, Bobtheferret said:

I completely agree, I hate poison in any form tbh there’s always far to much collateral damage and horrible slow death. Was just a comment to toolebox that with no poison being used hopefully the rabbits stay and he keeps his job! 

I think most if not all hunters hate baiting, I don't even like baiting for rats, I'd rather rely on the farm cats and terrier. You are supposed to bury the baits for foxes and dogs, that's why I don't understand the aerial bit.

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1 hour ago, TOMO said:

toolbox...aussie whipp .....how long does 1080 bait live....for want of a better word....?

According to the page below anywhere from 1-2 weeks to several months depending on area and weather;

WWW.FORESTANDBIRD.ORG.NZ

Why does New Zealand need to use 1080? New Zealand’s unique native species are in crisis. Despite...

 

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14 minutes ago, baker boy said:

According to the page below anywhere from 1-2 weeks to several months depending on area and weather

Where I do my hunting it's a cool, dry area, for Australia. I'd imagine to baits would last at the top end of this.

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14 hours ago, baker boy said:

According to the page below anywhere from 1-2 weeks to several months depending on area and weather;

WWW.FORESTANDBIRD.ORG.NZ

Why does New Zealand need to use 1080? New Zealand’s unique native species are in crisis. Despite...

Hunters call this group feathers & twigs,nut jobs that were dead set against 1080 up to about 15 years ago when after several large donations they did a u  turn .1080 poisoned can last months if not years if the animal makes it back into its dry nest .The poison is found in the meat ,blood and bone marrow & keeps on killing entering the food chain,eg if several maggots off a rotten body are eaten by a bird the bird will die,then if a rat then eats the said bird it will also tip over & its now been found that plants do take up 1080 and bees honey shows limited traces of 1080.Now I'm no expert, but if I apply common sense thinking, that throwing out huge amounts of a poison that will kill any non target animal is NOT a great idea ,but now in NZ its a huge money making business . A piece of meat or fresh the size of ones finger nail containing 1080 will be more than enough to kill a 50 kg dog .   

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so ive watched all 8 of those little vids toolbox....very interesting little series...on one of the properties they show a rabbit fence ....but instead of the mesh being buried straight down   about 1 foot...they have just laid the last  foot or so out on top of the grass...

thats not good practice and wont work long term....is there a reason for this with regards to the ground being hard ...or is it the fence erector not having a clue?? 

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1 hour ago, TOMO said:

so ive watched all 8 of those little vids toolbox....very interesting little series...on one of the properties they show a rabbit fence ....but instead of the mesh being buried straight down   about 1 foot...they have just laid the last  foot or so out on top of the grass...

thats not good practice and wont work long term....is there a reason for this with regards to the ground being hard ...or is it the fence erector not having a clue?? 

We do ours the same here as the peat rots the wire in no time. I ain't digging a trench to bury it when it will need replacing in a year or two.

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