sandymere 8,263 Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2020.0763 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waltjnr 7,974 Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 can you summarize it for me ,so much reading ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greb147 6,810 Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 Just now, waltjnr said: can you summarize it for me ,so much reading ! Their heads have got shorter and wider. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 31,473 Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, waltjnr said: can you summarize it for me ,so much reading ! I think it’s simply saying what people that go outdoors a lot have been seeing and saying for years the red fox is developing into two sub species with urban foxes now roughly 40% smaller than there rural cousins in a nutshell, and that’s just by using my eyes without the need to measure there heads and copy and paste 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waltjnr 7,974 Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Greyman said: 11 minutes ago, waltjnr said: can you summarize it for me ,so much reading ! I think it’s simply saying what people that go outdoors a lot have been seeing and saying for years the red fox is developing into two sub species with urban foxes now roughly 40% smaller than there rural cousins in a nutshell, and that’s just by using my eyes without the need to measure there heads and copy and paste cheers mate 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 31,473 Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 On the subject of fox’s and differences, since doing my cameras I have seen two black Fox’s, one in the flesh and one on a camera both were in rural locations but both were much smaller than reds, other black mutations like squirrels and rabbits stay the same so are the black ones just reds with melanism or is that another sub species ???? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ken's Deputy 4,462 Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 Very interesting, Greyman. I can only offer that such black foxes as I've happened across on youtube do indeed seem much smaller. I'd always sort of assumed they were ranch bred. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greb147 6,810 Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 20 minutes ago, Greyman said: On the subject of fox’s and differences, since doing my cameras I have seen two black Fox’s, one in the flesh and one on a camera both were in rural locations but both were much smaller than reds, other black mutations like squirrels and rabbits stay the same so are the black ones just reds with melanism or is that another sub species ???? It's the same with leopards, black leopards are smaller than the spotted ones. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 31,473 Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 Just now, Greb147 said: It's the same with leopards, black leopards are smaller than the spotted ones. Really Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greb147 6,810 Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Greyman said: Really Yep, really. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waltjnr 7,974 Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 36 minutes ago, Greyman said: On the subject of fox’s and differences, since doing my cameras I have seen two black Fox’s, one in the flesh and one on a camera both were in rural locations but both were much smaller than reds, other black mutations like squirrels and rabbits stay the same so are the black ones just reds with melanism or is that another sub species ???? Were they carrying knifes ? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Squirrel_Basher 17,102 Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 I think foxes in fur farms, without doing a search ,are a subspecies of the red .Smaller and thicker furred . Id love to bag a black fox ,room on the wall for that cape deffo . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ken's Deputy 4,462 Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 9 minutes ago, waltjnr said: Were they carrying knifes ? I read a scientific study report that proved melanin levels go hand in hand with violent behaviour. White lab rats are no accident. Docile and compliant creatures. But, this study bred for increased melanin. Blacker the rats, more crazy and aggressive they became. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ken's Deputy 4,462 Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 Just now, foxdropper said: I think foxes in fur farms, without doing a search ,are a subspecies of the red .Smaller and thicker furred . Yep. I'd definitely concur with that. Again, only from seeing them ~ in captivity ~ on the chube. But, their fur depth seems to be off the fukking charts. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 27,778 Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 This one was living in an urban graveyard; Cheers. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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