WILF 50,310 Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 31 minutes ago, Accip74 said: Isn’t that more about funding though mate? I know a few people, including my own brother (an atheist), who got their kids into faith based schools because they are just simply much better funded schools with great results. Have to say the school my kids go to is a catholic based school. It was a no brainer simply because it’s in the village & has a great rep. The stuff kids do is remarkable considering it’s free! No mate, from the government they get no more or less funding than any other school. What they do tend to get is better support from parents and PTAs because, rather than trying to be all things to all people, everyone is pulling in the same direction from an ethical and values point of view......they are normally more of a “community” Many parents are not religious but when it comes down to their kids they can fully appreciate the massive benefit of following the basic moral code and structures of faith schools......a bit more old fashioned values and common sense if you will. Hotch potch melting pots of every odd liberal idea and cultural melting pots under the sun just don’t get the same parental support......most of them ain’t interested and that’s an unfortunate fact mate 5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 11,431 Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, WILF said: Agreed, but it’s the shared ethic and culture that improves the outcomes.......bit of a lesson for all of us there I reckon 36 minutes ago, Accip74 said: Isn’t that more about funding though mate? I know a few people, including my own brother (an atheist), who got their kids into faith based schools because they are just simply much better funded schools with great results. Have to say the school my kids go to is a catholic based school. It was a no brainer simply because it’s in the village & has a great rep. The stuff kids do is remarkable considering it’s free! Intelligence has nothing to do with religion wilf. Doesn't matter which 'type' of school people attend. If someone is generally 'thick', and pretty much icapable of learning much 'academically', they're not going to learn more 'academically' just because they have a religion they believe in. I know quite a few people that believe in god. Practically all of them thick as shit. Because they really don't possess the ability to question too much Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,310 Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, shaaark said: Intelligence has nothing to do with religion wilf. Doesn't matter which 'type' of school people attend. If someone is generally 'thick', and pretty much icapable of learning much 'academically', they're not going to learn more 'academically' just because they have a religion they believe in. I know quite a few people that believe in god. Practically all of them thick as shit. Because they really don't possess the ability to question too much And I’ll say again, I agree, believing in god (or not) has nothing to do with intelligence. However education isn’t just an academic experience, it’s a holistic experience too and the better social environment provided by sharing common bonds of ethics and values leads to better outcomes......it just does. Im not making this up from a layman’s point of view, I know it for a fact because when I was in England I was a Governor of a faith school. Edited to add: By better outcomes I mean for everyone, not just the brightest and best. Its better outcomes for the pupil regardless of intelligence and the wider community with the young people they turn out. When my kids and their friends left to go to senior (non faith) school there was pretty much a war between the various schools to get them because they know how good these kids are as human beings as well as academically, same every year. Edited January 1, 2020 by WILF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 11,431 Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, WILF said: And I’ll say again, I agree, believing in god (or not) has nothing to do with intelligence. However education isn’t just an academic experience, it’s a holistic experience too and the better social environment provided by sharing common bonds of ethics and values leads to better outcomes......it just does. Im not making this up from a layman’s point of view, I know it for a fact because when I was in England I was a Governor of a faith school. Edited to add: By better outcomes I mean for everyone, not just the brightest and best. Its better outcomes for the pupil and the wider community with the young people they turn out. When my kids and their friends left to go to senior (non faith) school there was pretty much a war between the various schools to get them because they know how good these kids are as human beings as well as academically, same every year. Ok, chill out lol. I mean that genuinely wilf. Not being funny. And you know what, whilst I don't necessarily agree with some of your points, on many things, at least you go into the machinations of why you believe what you do 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,310 Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just now, shaaark said: Ok, chill out lol. I mean that genuinely wilf. Not being funny. And you know what, whilst I don't necessarily agree with some of your points, on many things, at least you go into the machinations of why you believe what you do Always chilled mate, it’s only conversation 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, WILF said: No mate, from the government they get no more or less funding than any other school. What they do tend to get is better support from parents and PTAs because, rather than trying to be all things to all people, everyone is pulling in the same direction from an ethical and values point of view......they are normally more of a “community” Many parents are not religious but when it comes down to their kids they can fully appreciate the massive benefit of following the basic moral code and structures of faith schools......a bit more old fashioned values and common sense if you will. Hotch potch melting pots of every odd liberal idea and cultural melting pots under the sun just don’t get the same parental support......most of them ain’t interested and that’s an unfortunate fact mate Well that’s a good point & I guess in turn you get a steady stream of like minded parents with similar expectations from schooling. I must admit I feel a bit weird with my boy talking about Jesus like he’s does & a certain sense of hypocracy on my part. But in our case the religious talk is far outweighed by a mass of interesting stuff they are exposing the kids to, & from a young age. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 11,431 Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, Accip74 said: Well that’s a good point & I guess in turn you get a steady stream of like minded parents with similar expectations from schooling. I must admit I feel a bit weird with my boy talking about Jesus like he’s does & a certain sense of hypocracy on my part. But in our case the religious talk is far outweighed by a mass of interesting stuff they are exposing the kids to, & from a young age. In my opinion, mine, no-one else's, any talk of jesus, especially from schoolchildren, is absolutely ridiculous 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,310 Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 43 minutes ago, Accip74 said: Well that’s a good point & I guess in turn you get a steady stream of like minded parents with similar expectations from schooling. I must admit I feel a bit weird with my boy talking about Jesus like he’s does & a certain sense of hypocracy on my part. But in our case the religious talk is far outweighed by a mass of interesting stuff they are exposing the kids to, & from a young age. Innocent and nice is good mate, don’t matter if you believe it.....he will make up his own mind when he is older but for now it’s working and that’s good enough. Faith school principals are just innocent and good and nice.......it’s just us cynical and jaded adults that want to piss all over it. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,310 Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 34 minutes ago, shaaark said: In my opinion, mine, no-one else's, any talk of jesus, especially from schoolchildren, is absolutely ridiculous Any reason why mate ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 11,431 Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 14 minutes ago, WILF said: Any reason why mate ? Yep, religion in any form confuses and separates people from each other. Why? Because 'religion' made us do it! Faaack off! It aint money, religion IS the root OF ALL EVIL 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted January 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, WILF said: Any reason why mate ? Yeah why bud? Here would you rather that bewsey school lessie teach your waine how to write gay love letters ffs lol Jesus is all about love an forgiveness, meeknes, obedience an so on buddy, that's miles better than gay sex education at 5 year old. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted January 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, shaaark said: Yep, religion in any form confuses and separates people from each other. Why? Because 'religion' made us do it! Faaack off! It aint money, religion IS the root OF ALL EVIL I can see your point to some degree mate, but I don't think iv every heard of a terrorist shouting jesus jesus an blowing somebody up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 11,431 Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 40 minutes ago, Francie said: I can see your point to some degree mate, but I don't think iv every heard of a terrorist shouting jesus jesus an blowing somebody up. Look a bit deeper. And you are the main religious freak on here, tut tut tut Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 11,431 Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 48 minutes ago, Francie said: Yeah why bud? Here would you rather that bewsey school lessie teach your waine how to write gay love letters ffs lol Jesus is all about love an forgiveness, meeknes, obedience an so on buddy, that's miles better than gay sex education at 5 year old. Jesus etc, are so good, that's why almost ALL wars known to mankind are down to RELIGION!! You're talking utter shite mate, same as all religious idiots do Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted January 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, shaaark said: Look a bit deeper. And you are the main religious freak on here, tut tut tut Haha main religious freak, very nice of you. I'd still drop you if you were stood in front of me you little sodomite tut tut tut Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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