Arry 25,018 Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Yea and if it goes wrong big time. "I'm sorry we better stop now". Its a bit patronising to say people don't understand. I not going to argue but I do feel people are just being rough trodden, never mind what you want we are going to do it anyway attitude. May be no physical thing will come of it who know yet, but seems all a bit to gun ho to me. The mental well being of people live above a potential earthquake should be taken into account and not just poo pooed. I actually feel for the people of Blackpool can't imagine its done any thing for property prices etc though no fault of there own. Cheers Arry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,927 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, maxhardcore said: Yes ' your very naive . Probably aspirations of grandeur yourself and your probably the type who would sell your soul for the green back. Through the likes of yourself the planet is FOOKED Utterly delusional, you can't even tell me how this fracking is going to f**k anything but you keep it propped up with your famous tag line "common sense". In your case a synonym for "I haven't a f***ing clue but I'm telling you I'm right". It's okay to disagree max, just admit that it's only instinctive rather than clutch at straws. Through the likes of yourself democracy is f****d. You don't care about facts, just feelings. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,927 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Arry said: Yea and if it goes wrong big time. "I'm sorry we better stop now". Where do you draw the line with that attitude though? I mean, do we just not dare leave the house incase it all goes terribly wrong when crossing a road? I understand you concern but surely we proceed with anything based on educated risk/benefit assessment? The risk of 'big time' catastrophe is just negligible so it shouldn't even be mentioned. The only plausible risk really is a seismic event that we can actually feel and does a bit of damage or maybe contamination of ground water. 5 minutes ago, Arry said: Its a bit patronising to say people don't understand. I not going to argue but I do feel people are just being rough trodden, never mind what you want we are going to do it anyway attitude. It always feels patronising to be told your concerns aren't quite factual and simply instinctive. Doesn't make it wrong. I've said myself I don;t know enough to make a educated judgement but I'm not buying into the anti-fracking movement when hardly anyone can actually put forward and valid argument and 99% is hearsay and wild sensationalism. It's okay to say you just don't trust it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,927 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, maxhardcore said: The clue is in 30 earthquakes since Fracking commenced ffs Its damaging and profit should NEVER come before PEOPLE. Especialy when the people who have to live around where the Fracking takes place gain NOTHING. Horse shit. How many of those 'earthquakes' were even noticed by anyone other than a BGS seismograph? It's damaged f**k all other than the shale formations hundreds to thousands of meters below us! Profit should never come before people eh. So we'll be banning cars as of tomorrow because they prematurely kill thousands in the UK every year will we? Shale gas ops won't kill a single person.... In fact moving our energy infrastructure to gas is a strong step towards improving our impact on the climate and will hopefully be a stepping stone towards a fully renewable, or at least carbon neutral, energy infrastructure. Edited October 31, 2018 by Born Hunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jonjon79 13,358 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 At the moment, to me, it's looking like a lack of communication between the drilling firms, the government and the locals - it looks like the protesters have taken a dislike to it and made a load of sensationalist noise that has started to worry the people that live near the site. These aren't even earthquakes in the traditional sense - they're deep ground movements that are happening as intended. This is what fracking is and, it's being monitored properly. ....... My mates house is right on a busy main road - you can feel buses and lorries go past. In this day and age where the media are quick to jump on and expose any story that they can, the government aren't going to allow peoples houses to start collapsing or their water supply to become fatally contaminated because of fracking. I'd have no objection to them drilling near me in Wiltshire. It's just progress, things move on, some people will always be opposed to new things. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arry 25,018 Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 You should be a politician mate you the same attitude. Its all about money ! They don't give a shit about people just money. All I'm saying is far more care needs to be taken here. Cheers Arry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,927 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Just now, Arry said: You should be a politician mate you the same attitude. Its all about money ! They don't give a shit about people just money. All I'm saying is far more care needs to be taken here. Cheers Arry I care too much about evidence to be a politician. People vote for feelings not facts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,927 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, maxhardcore said: The Car and immisdoons issue is getting addressed ' slowly but it's happening. The Fact is GB would come to a stand still without cars. It won't without Fracking . It would come to a standstill if we didn't embrace the change. We don't embrace the change because no c**t wants to, because it'd harm the economy, because folks couldn't have all the material things they want anymore and would have to accept a 'lower' standard of living. Fracking won't kill anyone, won't significantly threaten any wildlife, will be instrumental in improving living standards (via economic growth and reduced carbon emissions) and improve national energy security but suddenly you're rolling out the "people not profits" line.... It's all about cost-benefit. The cost of cars are tens of thousands of deaths from respiratory disease annually and carbon emission but the benefit is personal freedom and economic activity. The cost of onshore shale gas recovery, specifically fracking, is nothing in comparison and the benefits are numerous and tangible. Remain vigilant max, that's good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,927 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 19 minutes ago, maxhardcore said: While we touching on transport issues again if the Money men put half of the money HS2 is going to cost into upgrading every road ' duel carriage way and motorways and cycle paths in GB it would be money much better spent than wasting multi billions on making the journey from Manchester to London 17 mins faster which will take about the same number of years to achieve. I tentatively agree with the above and have done since I heard about it. HS2 will simply open up the Midlands to Londoners, it won't open up London to Midlanders. There will be a flood of high earners buying property in the midlands which will outprice locals further. But that change is coming eventually, whether it's through transport progression of comm's tech progression. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,927 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, maxhardcore said: Less materialistic things does not nesceserialy mean a lower standard of living. Thats another load of bullshit to make the rich more rich at the expense of the planet. I agree, that's why I wrote it in inverted commas. If folks had less money then generally that's considered lower SoL, despite perhaps less respiratory disease. God you really hate 'the rich' don't you. LOL. They like material things as much as us peasants, it's a human condition not a conspiracy. LOL Edited October 31, 2018 by Born Hunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 32,038 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Fracking well safe why would the government lie 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,927 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Greyman said: Fracking well safe why would the government lie Mate, that is ancient (possibly total BS) and the industry has gone through a shit load of technical advancement and oversight improvements since then. At the moment all the talk is on using AI to direct the lateral wells and ensure the actual fracking is more controlled than ever. There have been shit loads of case studies of this at all the big petroleum conferences the past few years. https://www.economist.com/babbage/2013/06/25/fire-water https://www.cred.org/fracking-burning-tap-water/ Edited October 31, 2018 by Born Hunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 32,038 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: Mate, that is ancient (possibly total BS) and the industry has gone through a shit load of technical advancement and oversight improvements since then. At the moment all the talk is on using AI to direct the lateral wells and ensure the actual fracking is more controlled than ever. There have been shit loads of case studies of this at all the big petroleum conferences the past few years. https://www.economist.com/babbage/2013/06/25/fire-water https://www.cred.org/fracking-burning-tap-water/ And when you allow the company,s that make the money from it to police there own industry all you will ever be fed is bullshit, last week it was oh it's only 0.4 and if we were,nt doing such a superb job you would never even know, since then each one has got bigger until we are upto 1.4/1.8 depending who,s telling the story and that's in just a fortnight, apparently 2 and above is when you can actually feel ground movement through your feet, so as a total idiot with zero qualifications I can see a trend 0.2 0.4. 0.8 1.5 in two weeks so what happens after a month then a year? I,ve said before who ever pays for these study,s and surveys always get the answers they want, my electricity bills have,nt reduced by a penny through all the solar and wind farms yet Samantha camerons family made £250.000 in one night from there solar farm, how much do you expect your gas to be reduced After they,ve finished raping the earth ??? It's a big price to pay for zero return to the ordinary man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 32,038 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Another bullshitter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,927 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Greyman said: And when you allow the company,s that make the money from it to police there own industry all you will ever be fed is bullshit, last week it was oh it's only 0.4 and if we were,nt doing such a superb job you would never even know, since then each one has got bigger until we are upto 1.4/1.8 depending who,s telling the story and that's in just a fortnight, apparently 2 and above is when you can actually feel ground movement through your feet, so as a total idiot with zero qualifications I can see a trend 0.2 0.4. 0.8 1.5 in two weeks so what happens after a month then a year? I,ve said before who ever pays for these study,s and surveys always get the answers they want, my electricity bills have,nt reduced by a penny through all the solar and wind farms yet Samantha camerons family made £250.000 in one night from there solar farm, how much do you expect your gas to be reduced After they,ve finished raping the earth ??? It's a big price to pay for zero return to the ordinary man True, but that's a straw man. It's not policed by industry. Also, I don't know why wind farms haven't reduced your bills (if that's even true, how do you know they haven't). Probably because so far it's been a heavily subsidised industry due to it being uneconomical. An uneconomical source of power will not force market prices down, it can't. "Raping the Earth"............. right, how? What is the methane saturated water in the shale formations doing that is so critical to the Earth? I'll tell ya what is going to rape the Earth, our continued energy policies. Moving more of our energy infrastructure to gas will reduce our climate impact significantly. It'll hopefully mitigate a lot of damage before we can progress the infrastructure further to being carbon neutral. Regarding benefit to the average joe bloggs. Would you believe studies that show it if I provided them or is science only valid if it backs up your own bias? Edited October 31, 2018 by Born Hunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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