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16 minutes ago, David.evans said:

Toxo

what range can you clearly see with the add on Ive go a winder on thr 17 hmr 

and was looking at these , any ideas of range with a decent ir on top

atb 

The onboard IR is amazing Dave. As I've just said to Nathan the high turrets on the S/W cut off a bit but still went a long way. I'm using the 25mm lens so will be different from the 16mm which is the norm for most people. I would guess the 16mm and onboard IR will be good enough for hmr and you can always use external if you want. As a spotter it's even clearer because there are no scope lenses in the way. There are vids on youtube to give some idea. There are various names for the same unit. Addonight, Adder, WGsummat, etc.

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U  addons can be like marmite, I've had the tv screen type , robin foxer on u tube uses the nite sight viper , I had one and didn't like it , your face lights up like black pool illuminated, and

I would recommend a thermal spotter, and night vision scope . I would also say that you get what you pay for . The cheaper entry level gear doesn’t perform like the more expensive items . I know guys

Thermal scope U when i used Pav,s it just blew me away and out much more than 200yrds unless there hiding behind stone walls they cant hide at all iv seen nothing like it u honestly

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