goldfinger 135 Posted July 12, 2018 Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 (edited) Posted in this forum as well as living of land,(technically trapping),trying to do things the correct way trapping crayfish on the river Rother Yorkshire so I applied for a permit,this was the reply from the environment agency,obviously in my experience of a very long life trapping various vermin and pleasure fishing as well,there logic for refusing a permit don't go down well imo,no wonder there taking over almost all British waterways no one can touch them up north around Yorkshire Dear applicant Thank you for your application to trap signal crayfish. Unfortunately on this occasion we must decline your application. Yorkshire and its surrounding counties do not allow crayfish trapping due to risks associated with the activity. The three main reasons for this decision are.... The risk of spreading invasive crayfish and aquatic diseases through the use of traps and other equipment. Traps and associated equipment are excellent vectors for invasive crayfish and aquatic diseases to reach new waters. As they are usually left unattended underwater, they can be taken by uninformed or malicious parties and used between waters easily by people who are unaware of the bio-security risks. Impacts on our native White-clawed crayfish populations In Yorkshire we are lucky to still have populations of White-clawed crayfish and despite intense conservation efforts the species is still under threat. Signal crayfish can carry a disease which is fatal to our native White-clawed crayfish. This crayfish plague is spread by a fungus which can wipe out a population in a matter of weeks. There is also the risk of misidentification of species. Although crayfish can be distinctive, it is sometimes not as easy as it seems to identify species correctly. Trapping crayfish is often not an effective method of control and often leads to an increase in populations Research has shown that trapping signal crayfish targets the dominant males, this removes the top predator from within the signal crayfish population. This allows younger less dominant males to breed more prolifically, leading to a population expansion. Trapping is therefore often counterproductive. Edited July 12, 2018 by goldfinger missed comments file Quote Link to post
Deker 3,453 Posted July 12, 2018 Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 Crumbs, I have my license and tags but I'm not in Yorkshire. I know several people round my way with their paperwork, no problems here at all. One of the reasons we may not have a problem is we have all the invaders, natives seem to have all but gone, I actually caught a Signal on hook/line when fishing conventionally for Carp on Monday! Quote Link to post
goldfinger 135 Posted July 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 Probably got to wait for the critters until they completely infest the Eco system, by then to late,any responsible person presume they are if applying for a permit would abide by the rules and do there homework on identification of native species. A good thing there not so keen with Mink.Still find it hard why they so against them being removed by responsible persons,or is it they assume we are all irresponsible. All I understand you keep catching nets full and eventually the population decreases or kept at low level. Just wonder what the Environment Agency plans are to combat this infestation?,maybe I should ask under the freedom of information rule Quote Link to post
EDDIE B 3,120 Posted July 12, 2018 Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 1 hour ago, goldfinger said: A good thing there not so keen with Mink. What do you mean by this goldfinger? Quote Link to post
goldfinger 135 Posted July 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 Controlling Mink, a good thing they are no so keen on preventing catching Mink in waterways, I trap them on a national trust site that has Otters and provided I follow there rules were all happy. 1 Quote Link to post
Rabid 1,936 Posted July 12, 2018 Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 Blimey, I've had a licence for 7 or 8 years now and never no bother. However, I have heard of a few folk been responsible for spreading them into places they Were not, by carelessness, so I do kind of see that point. Quote Link to post
EDDIE B 3,120 Posted July 12, 2018 Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 20 minutes ago, goldfinger said: Controlling Mink, a good thing they are no so keen on preventing catching Mink in waterways, I trap them on a national trust site that has Otters and provided I follow there rules were all happy. A get ya now. With regards crayfish. Do you have to show where your located, and specify certain waterways within said area? No way around that? Quote Link to post
goldfinger 135 Posted July 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, EDDIE B said: A get ya now. With regards crayfish. Do you have to show where your located, and specify certain waterways within said area? No way around that? Answer is yes. 1 Quote Link to post
bell 3,504 Posted July 13, 2018 Report Share Posted July 13, 2018 Crack on mate, just be careful 1 Quote Link to post
Deker 3,453 Posted July 13, 2018 Report Share Posted July 13, 2018 8 hours ago, EDDIE B said: A get ya now. With regards crayfish. Do you have to show where your located, and specify certain waterways within said area? No way around that? You have to be very specific where you are trapping the Crayfish and the licence only covers that area, I understand this is to make sure you only trap areas where natives no longer exist. Quote Link to post
EDDIE B 3,120 Posted July 13, 2018 Report Share Posted July 13, 2018 We don't have the red claws over here. The natives are fairly plentiful. Drag in a lot whilst fishing. Heard recently that this plague has hit one major river system which has wiped everything out. If it hits the Shannon, then that could be the end for the creyfish 1 Quote Link to post
neil cooney 10,415 Posted July 13, 2018 Report Share Posted July 13, 2018 2 hours ago, EDDIE B said: We don't have the red claws over here. The natives are fairly plentiful. Drag in a lot whilst fishing. Heard recently that this plague has hit one major river system which has wiped everything out. If it hits the Shannon, then that could be the end for the creyfish Eddie I was talking to a lad a couple of weeks ago regarding the Zebra Mussel and a few other things. I mentioned that I sometimes envy the Brits being able to catch so many Signal Crayfish so easily but it's probably a good thing they're not in Ireland. He reckons they're already here in a few rivers. Quote Link to post
EDDIE B 3,120 Posted July 13, 2018 Report Share Posted July 13, 2018 50 minutes ago, neil cooney said: Eddie I was talking to a lad a couple of weeks ago regarding the Zebra Mussel and a few other things. I mentioned that I sometimes envy the Brits being able to catch so many Signal Crayfish so easily but it's probably a good thing they're not in Ireland. He reckons they're already here in a few rivers. Could be true. Maybe that's how this plague thing got here? They say it is being speed from one waterway to another by anglers equipment, waders, boats etc 1 Quote Link to post
bell 3,504 Posted July 13, 2018 Report Share Posted July 13, 2018 One mans loss is another’s gain, would anybody really shed tears if native crayfish were wiped out ?......the signals are good to eat and although it’s reported they take a lot of eggs/fry the fish also predate on them and grow bigger as a result..... Quote Link to post
goldfinger 135 Posted July 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 Got a map from Environment Agency witch is copy righted so cannot put it up here outlining were you can catch Crayfish with there permission,basically anything North of Stock on Trent is a no go area,were south of Stock on Trent is for the odd part you are OK to catch with there permission. Got to agree with what you say bell, only a matter of time before they totally infest all waterways. Quote Link to post
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