Bull Terrier As A Hole Dog

[kyboy44 11]

Was wondering if anyone has ever heard of any of the bull terrier being used as a hole dog I ask because I know a guy that does ADC work uses a pitbull terrier for beave the two ways he did it was if they can bust the dam and lower the water they would go along looking for den opening and the dog had a good enough noise to tell if the den was empty or not and if not would go in and pull it out often killing them and if they can not lower the water he let the dog run along the water eged and it was able to find the dens airhole dig it out and catch or push it into a trap the reason the guy used it was he always had one around they were not afraid of the water and had no quit in them just wondering if anyone has ever heard of a bull terrier doing work like that

[THE GENERAL 1,982]

What type of terrier is commonly specialised to the task in question? Forgive me for my ignorance but im always one to learn and listen.

[j1985 1,984]

Was wondering if anyone has ever heard of any of the bull terrier being used as a hole dog I ask because I know a guy that does ADC work uses a pitbull terrier for beave the two ways he did it was if they can bust the dam and lower the water they would go along looking for den opening and the dog had a good enough noise to tell if the den was empty or not and if not would go in and pull it out often killing them and if they can not lower the water he let the dog run along the water eged and it was able to find the dens airhole dig it out and catch or push it into a trap the reason the guy used it was he always had one around they were not afraid of the water and had no quit in them just wondering if anyone has ever heard of a bull terrier doing work like that

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Sounds like a grand day out that does!

[neil cooney 10,416]

I don't think I've ever seen an EBT that would be small enough for general terrier work and I'd doubt that the miniature variety would have the inclination to go to ground.

I have however dug to pure Staffs from game lines that were small enough to go to ground in most places and they worked the way you'd expect a Staff to work.

Also had a couple of digs to Pit Bulls over the years but it was nearly always when things went wrong and the dig became more of a rescue than a sporting exercise. I wasn't there but one Pit Bull we used to use was let of her chain by a messer and she went to ground where her quarry killed her.

The lads got her out around mid night digging to her by torchlight. A pity as the same bitch was a house dog who used to let her owners young daughter ride her like a pony.

[DogMan85 722]

I don't think I've ever seen an EBT that would be small enough for general terrier work and I'd doubt that the miniature variety would have the inclination to go to ground.

I have however dug to pure Staffs from game lines that were small enough to go to ground in most places and they worked the way you'd expect a Staff to work.

Also had a couple of digs to Pit Bulls over the years but it was nearly always when things went wrong and the dig became more of a rescue than a sporting exercise. I wasn't there but one Pit Bull we used to use was let of her chain by a messer and she went to ground where her quarry killed her.

The lads got her out around mid night digging to her by torchlight. A pity as the same bitch was a house dog who used to let her owners young daughter ride her like a pony.

Game show line Staffs?

[neil cooney 10,416]

Working lines DogMan, they're still out there and in the right hands too.

It's a pity a few peddlers got their hands on them a few years ago but they're still out there.

One little red Staff we used to dig to ,Dutch, was around 18 lbs if I remember correctly and if you crowned in behind him he'd be lying on his back with his four feet on the roof of the tube and his mouth full. He was a cracker and safe with terriers too.

In those days we always started in July and often went for a pint (although I was too young to drink) after digging and we'd leave the van outside the pub with the windows open for the terriers bu we used to bring the strong dog into the pub in case of an accident.

A muddy bloody strong dog and no one would look twice.

My job would be check on the dogs in the van every few minutes.

 

Lord, I miss my strong dogs.

[Dead Eyes 681]

18lbs is tiny. Smaller than a lot of terriers

[DogMan85 722]

Working lines DogMan, they're still out there and in the right hands too.

It's a pity a few peddlers got their hands on them a few years ago but they're still out there.

One little red Staff we used to dig to ,Dutch, was around 18 lbs if I remember correctly and if you crowned in behind him he'd be lying on his back with his four feet on the roof of the tube and his mouth full. He was a cracker and safe with terriers too.

In those days we always started in July and often went for a pint (although I was too young to drink) after digging and we'd leave the van outside the pub with the windows open for the terriers bu we used to bring the strong dog into the pub in case of an accident.

A muddy bloody strong dog and no one would look twice.

My job would be check on the dogs in the van every few minutes.

 

Lord, I miss my strong dogs.

They might work them but they still trace their roots back to show dogs, no biggie just saying. If they do the job it doesn't matter truth be told.

[THE GENERAL 1,982]

 

Working lines DogMan, they're still out there and in the right hands too.

It's a pity a few peddlers got their hands on them a few years ago but they're still out there.

One little red Staff we used to dig to ,Dutch, was around 18 lbs if I remember correctly and if you crowned in behind him he'd be lying on his back with his four feet on the roof of the tube and his mouth full. He was a cracker and safe with terriers too.

In those days we always started in July and often went for a pint (although I was too young to drink) after digging and we'd leave the van outside the pub with the windows open for the terriers bu we used to bring the strong dog into the pub in case of an accident.

A muddy bloody strong dog and no one would look twice.

My job would be check on the dogs in the van every few minutes.

 

Lord, I miss my strong dogs.

They might work them but they still trace their roots back to show dogs, no biggie just saying. If they do the job it doesn't matter truth be told.

If the show dogs you mention are stuff that can be traced back to trials over the years even if they where KC trials, then there's not much to say really is there. The 60/70s seen its fair share of working dogs well before that and after, the only difference was they got certified for work, not given rosettes for standing in a ring. Suppose it depends how you look at it really, doesn't it lol.

[DogMan85 722]

 

 

Working lines DogMan, they're still out there and in the right hands too.

It's a pity a few peddlers got their hands on them a few years ago but they're still out there.

One little red Staff we used to dig to ,Dutch, was around 18 lbs if I remember correctly and if you crowned in behind him he'd be lying on his back with his four feet on the roof of the tube and his mouth full. He was a cracker and safe with terriers too.

In those days we always started in July and often went for a pint (although I was too young to drink) after digging and we'd leave the van outside the pub with the windows open for the terriers bu we used to bring the strong dog into the pub in case of an accident.

A muddy bloody strong dog and no one would look twice.

My job would be check on the dogs in the van every few minutes.

 

Lord, I miss my strong dogs.

They might work them but they still trace their roots back to show dogs, no biggie just saying. If they do the job it doesn't matter truth be told.

If the show dogs you mention are stuff that can be traced back to trials over the years even if they where KC trials, then there's not much to say really is there. The 60/70s seen its fair share of working dogs well before that and after, the only difference was they got certified for work, not given rosettes for standing in a ring. Suppose it depends how you look at it really, doesn't it lol.

Yep, the Staffs at the trails can trace their roots back to show stock.

[neil cooney 10,416]

 

 

Working lines DogMan, they're still out there and in the right hands too.

It's a pity a few peddlers got their hands on them a few years ago but they're still out there.

One little red Staff we used to dig to ,Dutch, was around 18 lbs if I remember correctly and if you crowned in behind him he'd be lying on his back with his four feet on the roof of the tube and his mouth full. He was a cracker and safe with terriers too.

In those days we always started in July and often went for a pint (although I was too young to drink) after digging and we'd leave the van outside the pub with the windows open for the terriers bu we used to bring the strong dog into the pub in case of an accident.

A muddy bloody strong dog and no one would look twice.

My job would be check on the dogs in the van every few minutes.

 

Lord, I miss my strong dogs.

They might work them but they still trace their roots back to show dogs, no biggie just saying. If they do the job it doesn't matter truth be told.

If the show dogs you mention are stuff that can be traced back to trials over the years even if they where KC trials, then there's not much to say really is there. The 60/70s seen its fair share of working dogs well before that and after, the only difference was they got certified for work, not given rosettes for standing in a ring. Suppose it depends how you look at it really, doesn't it lol.

 

It's also no secret that a lot of those K.C. registered Staffs and Wheatens had two pedigrees.

It's something some very good breeders never hid.

[THE GENERAL 1,982]

Neil I hope your not in one of your argumentative moods today! Haha

[Carlovian 593]

Working lines DogMan, they're still out there and in the right hands too.

It's a pity a few peddlers got their hands on them a few years ago but they're still out there.

One little red Staff we used to dig to ,Dutch, was around 18 lbs if I remember correctly and if you crowned in behind him he'd be lying on his back with his four feet on the roof of the tube and his mouth full. He was a cracker and safe with terriers too.

In those days we always started in July and often went for a pint (although I was too young to drink) after digging and we'd leave the van outside the pub with the windows open for the terriers bu we used to bring the strong dog into the pub in case of an accident.

A muddy bloody strong dog and no one would look twice.

My job would be check on the dogs in the van every few minutes.

 

Lord, I miss my strong dogs.

"Dutch" as a old fat dog ,,,he was one of the smallest Staffords Iv seen ,,,, if the same "Dutch" you mentioned..

Edited April 30, 2017 by Carlovian

[neil cooney 10,416]

Thanks for putting that up Carlovian, much appreciated.

He looks like a buckskin in the photo but I think he's old in it. I remember him as a red dog.

The two boys brought down some useful pure Staffs to me over the years.

 

30 years ago lads would have qued up with their russells to use such a dog.

[neil cooney 10,416]

Neil I hope your not in one of your argumentative moods today! Haha

Nope, it's my birthday and not going to annoy myself.

Besides, if I was in an argumentative mood I'd be over on the "Toffee" thread. I see The Canary is on there now making assumptions on someone and their terriers who he knows nothing about or ever will.

He doesn't need me to make a fool of him, I'll leave him to do that himself.