Quite A Change!

[Tiercel 6,986]

 

 

 

BGD you really should go in to politics as you never give a straight answer, just answer a question with a question.

 

TC

Where has anyone even asked me a question in this thread

 

If folk want to breed for looks and show their dogs what's the problem? A lot of these breeds don't even have a "job" to breed for anymore and the ones that are still used for work split into show and working lines and everyone is happy.

I don't see why it should banned, at the end of the day it's up to them what they do with their dogs surely.

The problem I see is breeding show spaniels that have huge long ears that constantly have trouble , GSD that are all but cripples , cavalier King Charles were the skull is to small for the brain , bulldogs that can't give birth naturally and can't breath properly the list is endless just can't be right ..why would you breed a defect into a dog just to conform to a breed standard that is far removed from the dogs original job , I've no problem splitting show and working dogs providing the show dogs are healthy ..

Who decides what's unacceptably genetically defective? Should breeders have to apply to the government for permission to do a mating to make sure it won't result in genetically defective pups?

The piece in bold as it starts with why? In my eyes is a question. As your answer starts with who? That is also a question.

 

TC

And just for you here's a nice straight answer - because you own the dog and that's what you want to do.

 

(Seriously if you couldn't figure out that would be the answer from my other posts in this thread I'd suggest some reading comprehension lessons )

 

And again you were proved wrong, but will not admit that you had actually answered a question with a question. You really should go in to politics, honestly you would do well.

 

Smoke and mirrors come to mind.

 

TC

[BGD 6,437]

 

 

 

 

 

BGD you really should go in to politics as you never give a straight answer, just answer a question with a question.

 

TC

Where has anyone even asked me a question in this thread

 

If folk want to breed for looks and show their dogs what's the problem? A lot of these breeds don't even have a "job" to breed for anymore and the ones that are still used for work split into show and working lines and everyone is happy.

I don't see why it should banned, at the end of the day it's up to them what they do with their dogs surely.

The problem I see is breeding show spaniels that have huge long ears that constantly have trouble , GSD that are all but cripples , cavalier King Charles were the skull is to small for the brain , bulldogs that can't give birth naturally and can't breath properly the list is endless just can't be right ..why would you breed a defect into a dog just to conform to a breed standard that is far removed from the dogs original job , I've no problem splitting show and working dogs providing the show dogs are healthy ..

Who decides what's unacceptably genetically defective? Should breeders have to apply to the government for permission to do a mating to make sure it won't result in genetically defective pups?

The piece in bold as it starts with why? In my eyes is a question. As your answer starts with who? That is also a question.

 

TC

And just for you here's a nice straight answer - because you own the dog and that's what you want to do.

 

(Seriously if you couldn't figure out that would be the answer from my other posts in this thread I'd suggest some reading comprehension lessons )

And again you were proved wrong, but will not admit that you had actually answered a question with a question. You really should go in to politics, honestly you would do well.

 

TC

"Proved wrong"? Really? I asked where anyone had asked me a question because I didn't see one, you pointed it out and I gave a nice simple easy to understand answer that should have been obvious given the context of my other posts.

[C556 351]

 

It ruins their health eventually. I would have dogs pass some type of functional test before they're allowed to enter KC dog shows. This would at least show they are physically sound at a basic level.

bring the teastas mor haha

That would be one way ?

 

Test their strength, stamina and agility varying by breed, then give them a breed specific test ie German show Alsatians getting Schutzhund titled. If the dog gets a certain amount of points in the above tests, the dog will be allowed to enter the better KC shows. That should gradually have a filter down effect with non working pedigree dogs getting healthier.

[Tiercel 6,986]

 

 

It ruins their health eventually. I would have dogs pass some type of functional test before they're allowed to enter KC dog shows. This would at least show they are physically sound at a basic level.

bring the teastas mor haha

That would be one way

 

Test their strength, stamina and agility varying by breed, then give them a breed specific test ie German show Alsatians getting Schutzhund titled. If the dog gets a certain amount of points in the above tests, the dog will be allowed to enter the better KC shows. That should gradually have a filter down effect with non working pedigree dogs getting healthier.

 

But it would not solve the main problem. In that most breeders breed for the Judges, each judge has their own opinion on how a dog should look. As a judge is in place for years breeders will obviously breed to the standards that the judge likes, whether it is to the detriment of the dogs / breed or not.

 

TC

[Lenmcharristar 10,334]

 

 

 

It ruins their health eventually. I would have dogs pass some type of functional test before they're allowed to enter KC dog shows. This would at least show they are physically sound at a basic level.

 

bring the teastas mor haha

That would be one way

Test their strength, stamina and agility varying by breed, then give them a breed specific test ie German show Alsatians getting Schutzhund titled. If the dog gets a certain amount of points in the above tests, the dog will be allowed to enter the better KC shows. That should gradually have a filter down effect with non working pedigree dogs getting healthier.

But it would not solve the main problem. In that most breeders breed for the Judges, each judge has their own opinion on how a dog should look. As a judge is in place for years breeders will obviously breed to the standards that the judge likes, whether it is to the detriment of the dogs / breed or not.

 

TC

who died and made you mod?? Haha

[Squeamish5 309]

 

 

 

 

BGD you really should go in to politics as you never give a straight answer, just answer a question with a question.

 

TC

Where has anyone even asked me a question in this thread

Here you are then...BGD Do you consider dogs to be disposable chattels?

[BGD 6,437]

 

 

 

 

 

BGD you really should go in to politics as you never give a straight answer, just answer a question with a question.

 

TC

Where has anyone even asked me a question in this thread

Here you are then...BGD Do you consider dogs to be disposable chattels?

I see my dogs as part of the family first and foremost but at the end of the day they are property and I think you should be able to do what you want with them, I certainly don't think the state should be able to dictate how you breed them.

 

So, chattel? Yes, disposable? Not really.

[C556 351]

 

 

 

It ruins their health eventually. I would have dogs pass some type of functional test before they're allowed to enter KC dog shows. This would at least show they are physically sound at a basic level.

 

bring the teastas mor haha

That would be one way

Test their strength, stamina and agility varying by breed, then give them a breed specific test ie German show Alsatians getting Schutzhund titled. If the dog gets a certain amount of points in the above tests, the dog will be allowed to enter the better KC shows. That should gradually have a filter down effect with non working pedigree dogs getting healthier.

But it would not solve the main problem. In that most breeders breed for the Judges, each judge has their own opinion on how a dog should look. As a judge is in place for years breeders will obviously breed to the standards that the judge likes, whether it is to the detriment of the dogs / breed or not.

 

TC

If the dogs had to pass a functional test before they were allowed to enter a show, it improve and dogs physical abilities, and with that, it's health.