Wolves

[saluki bouy 851]

Mickey Finn when you say they don't tolerate other predators and mention mountain lions and bears could you maybe tell us abit more about this?

[Casso 1,264]

My fellow hunters.

 

I'll grant wolves do change the behavior of other animals. Mostly by killing and maybe eating them. I'll also grant that too many browsing animals (those in the video are elk not deer by they way) can decimate the landscape. But wolves in that region have decimated the huntable game just as they have done here in Northern Michigan. One thing we did notice after the wolves became prevalent was that white tailed deer who had always traveled into the wind. Began traveling with the wind at their back so they could wind wolves stalking them as well as spotting them laying in ambush ahead. Now, had the deer stuck around this might have proven to be an advantage for hunters. But they didn't.

 

I tend to believe the decrease in meandering by streams and rivers is more the result of tremendous droughts in the area which also impacts the health of the browsing and grazing animals. So, we have the reintroduction of wolves which most likely should not have occurred along with hard conditions brought about by drought. A one-two punch as it were for the elk and buffalo.

 

I'd also like to expand on what the poster above said. Wolves do not tolerate other predators in their area. Whether they are other wolves, mountain lions, coyote, fox, bears, or our hunting dogs.

 

If the government had asked me. I would have said I think having some wolves around could be an advantage but having too many is a recipe for disaster as far as wildlife and hunting goes. Our efforts to control the wolf population have met with resistance from advocacy groups ( like the ones who made this video) with deep pockets who find advocate minded judges to throw up baseless road block that fly in the face of observed, and proven science.

 

It's long I know, thanks for reading it.

 

ATB

 

Christ , you've got a massive country there mate , we over here can only look in awe at the amount of species you have around you,

 

We ran the last wolf down here in the 17 hundreds , our mighty oaks were cut down and most of our forests were cut to the ground, we have no bears or beaver

 

once you shackle the wolf and confine it to tiny pockets of land you lose the wild out of wilderness

Edited October 17, 2016 by Casso

[pesky1972 5,655]

Good post Mickey Finn.??

 

Seem to remember this film, or one very similar was posted on here a while back. It does seem to have the promotion of wolf introduction as it's aim.

 

The idea that wolves change the behaviour of deer, and that can in turn dramatically alter the ecosystem, has been bought into in Scotland too. No wolves in Scotland though I hear you cry..., the solution is to have teams of volunteers wandering around the Caledonian forest howling like wolves! I sh!t you not ?

http://treesforlife.org.uk/volunteer/long-term-volunteering/project-wolf/

[Mickey Finn 3,087]

Mickey Finn when you say they don't tolerate other predators and mention mountain lions and bears could you maybe tell us abit more about this?

Sure. They run off or kill mountain lions when they catch them in their area. Granted a few wolves meet their demise at the paws of a mountain lion. They kill cubs and badger black bears while they are moving around. From my experience in the Upper Peninsula. They'll stake out our bait stations waiting for a bear to come along. Come winter they dig them out of their dens and kill, and maybe eat them. They'll follow behind you in the forest and I've had them bed down around deer bait stations waiting for the deer. They have really made themselves at home.

 

In the Yellowstone, there are numerous reports of grizzlies running wolves off of their kills and Mountain lions killing the lone wolf. I consider that fair play.

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

Mickey Finn when you say they don't tolerate other predators and mention mountain lions and bears could you maybe tell us abit more about this?

Sure. They run off or kill mountain lions when they catch them in their area. Granted a few wolves meet their demise at the paws of a mountain lion. They kill cubs and badger black bears while they are moving around. From my experience in the Upper Peninsula. They'll stake out our bait stations waiting for a bear to come along. Come winter they dig them out of their dens and kill, and maybe eat them. They'll follow behind you in the forest and I've had them bed down around deer bait stations waiting for the deer. They have really made themselves at home.

 

In the Yellowstone, there are numerous reports of grizzlies running wolves off of their kills and Mountain lions killing the lone wolf. I consider that fair play.

Black Bears are also capable and do kill Wolves.

[Mickey Finn 3,087]

 

 

Mickey Finn when you say they don't tolerate other predators and mention mountain lions and bears could you maybe tell us abit more about this?

Sure. They run off or kill mountain lions when they catch them in their area. Granted a few wolves meet their demise at the paws of a mountain lion. They kill cubs and badger black bears while they are moving around. From my experience in the Upper Peninsula. They'll stake out our bait stations waiting for a bear to come along. Come winter they dig them out of their dens and kill, and maybe eat them. They'll follow behind you in the forest and I've had them bed down around deer bait stations waiting for the deer. They have really made themselves at home.

 

In the Yellowstone, there are numerous reports of grizzlies running wolves off of their kills and Mountain lions killing the lone wolf. I consider that fair play.

Black Bears are also capable and do kill Wolves.

 

I've never heard of it. But I suppose it's possible.

[Mickey Finn 3,087]

40 dogs killed by wolves

 

http://www.grindtv.com/wildlife/40-dogs-killed-wolves-wisconsin-bear-hunt-experts-puzzled/?ref=yfp#1OzEqyBtiPqUsBh1.97

 

Wisconsin bear hunters achieved a typically high success rate during a monthlong season that concluded last week, but experts are still trying to determine why a record number of hunting dogs were killed in the process.

According to the Wisconsin State Journal, at least 40 dogs were preyed upon by wolves during a hunt that allowed the use of dogs to pursue and tree black bears.

Read more at http://www.grindtv.com/wildlife/40-dogs-killed-wolves-wisconsin-bear-hunt-experts-puzzled/#B6R0s0DpwKRcIy6J.99

 

 

 

ATB

[Casso 1,264]

40 dogs killed by wolves

 

http://www.grindtv.com/wildlife/40-dogs-killed-wolves-wisconsin-bear-hunt-experts-puzzled/?ref=yfp#1OzEqyBtiPqUsBh1.97

 

Wisconsin bear hunters achieved a typically high success rate during a monthlong season that concluded last week, but experts are still trying to determine why a record number of hunting dogs were killed in the process.

According to the Wisconsin State Journal, at least 40 dogs were preyed upon by wolves during a hunt that allowed the use of dogs to pursue and tree black bears.

Read more at http://www.grindtv.com/wildlife/40-dogs-killed-wolves-wisconsin-bear-hunt-experts-puzzled/#B6R0s0DpwKRcIy6J.99

 

 

 

ATB

Kill or be killed that's what hunting is all about , I know it's difficult when the shoe is on the other foot but surely to hell you can't want to dilute everything down and make the natural world a submissive entity

How many bears are killed every season bud , ??

Edited October 20, 2016 by Casso

[Mickey Finn 3,087]

 

40 dogs killed by wolves

 

http://www.grindtv.com/wildlife/40-dogs-killed-wolves-wisconsin-bear-hunt-experts-puzzled/?ref=yfp#1OzEqyBtiPqUsBh1.97

 

Wisconsin bear hunters achieved a typically high success rate during a monthlong season that concluded last week, but experts are still trying to determine why a record number of hunting dogs were killed in the process.

According to the Wisconsin State Journal, at least 40 dogs were preyed upon by wolves during a hunt that allowed the use of dogs to pursue and tree black bears.

Read more at http://www.grindtv.com/wildlife/40-dogs-killed-wolves-wisconsin-bear-hunt-experts-puzzled/#B6R0s0DpwKRcIy6J.99

 

 

 

ATB

Kill or be killed that's what hunting is all about , I know it's difficult when the shoe is on the other foot but surely to hell you can't want to dilute everything down and make the natural world a submissive entity

How many bears are killed every season bud , ??

 

Your not making any sense Casso.

[sussex 5,803]

Is that it for the bear season Miickey , one month ? ... that must be a long eleven month wait for the next one ..

[Mickey Finn 3,087]

Is that it for the bear season Miickey , one month ? ... that must be a long eleven month wait for the next one ..

Well that's our neighbors Wisconsin. They have a shorter hunting season but the dog training which is hunting without the shooting last quite awhile. Here in Michigan you can run bears with hounds from the 8th of July until the 28th of October. Those who run different game as well like Raccoon's, Coyote's, and Bobcats. Have only April 16th until July 8th when they can't run their hounds on game.

 

ATB