Is Any Athlete Clean???

[gnasher16 31,416]

 

Is any athlete clean ?...........no

 

Is any athlete who is not clean a cheat ?........no

 

For better or worse sport has changed lads just accept it.

So don't you think it's time we should change our views on PED's and get our heads out of the sand?

 

I feel sorry for the very few that will actually be clean...

 

Change our views in what way ?.....my heads not stuck in the sand i accept and embrace progress in sport.....that doesnt make cheating acceptable its knowing the difference where folk need to educate themselves.

 

When you say you feel sorry for the few who are clean..... like the ones who are still using wooden tennis raquets/ankle high football boots you mean......performance enhancement has been around for ever mate its only when the word " drug " is thrown into things it causes a stir.

Edited September 28, 2016 by gnasher16

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

Is any athlete clean ?...........no

 

Is any athlete who is not clean a cheat ?........no

 

For better or worse sport has changed lads just accept it.

So don't you think it's time we should change our views on PED's and get our heads out of the sand?

 

I feel sorry for the very few that will actually be clean...

Change our views in what way ?.....my heads not stuck in the sand i accept and embrace progress in sport.....that doesnt make cheating acceptable its knowing the difference where folk need to educate themselves.

 

When you say you feel sorry for the few who are clean..... like the ones who are still using wooden tennis raquets/ankle high football boots you mean......performance enhancement has been around for ever mate its only when the word " drug " is thrown into things it causes a stir.

I mean we should accept PED's as part and parcel of sports instead of stigmatizing them, legalising them would be a good start IMO.

 

I'm specifically talking about drugs.

[gnasher16 31,416]

 

 

 

Is any athlete clean ?...........no

 

Is any athlete who is not clean a cheat ?........no

 

For better or worse sport has changed lads just accept it.

So don't you think it's time we should change our views on PED's and get our heads out of the sand?

 

I feel sorry for the very few that will actually be clean...

Change our views in what way ?.....my heads not stuck in the sand i accept and embrace progress in sport.....that doesnt make cheating acceptable its knowing the difference where folk need to educate themselves.

 

When you say you feel sorry for the few who are clean..... like the ones who are still using wooden tennis raquets/ankle high football boots you mean......performance enhancement has been around for ever mate its only when the word " drug " is thrown into things it causes a stir.

I mean we should accept PED's as part and parcel of sports instead of stigmatizing them, legalising them would be a good start IMO.

 

I'm specifically talking about drugs.

 

Yes but you say legalise them but they are already legal people just dont understrand how.

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

 

 

Is any athlete clean ?...........no

 

Is any athlete who is not clean a cheat ?........no

 

For better or worse sport has changed lads just accept it.

So don't you think it's time we should change our views on PED's and get our heads out of the sand?

 

I feel sorry for the very few that will actually be clean...

Change our views in what way ?.....my heads not stuck in the sand i accept and embrace progress in sport.....that doesnt make cheating acceptable its knowing the difference where folk need to educate themselves.

 

When you say you feel sorry for the few who are clean..... like the ones who are still using wooden tennis raquets/ankle high football boots you mean......performance enhancement has been around for ever mate its only when the word " drug " is thrown into things it causes a stir.

I mean we should accept PED's as part and parcel of sports instead of stigmatizing them, legalising them would be a good start IMO.

 

I'm specifically talking about drugs.

Yes but you say legalise them but they are already legal people just dont understrand how.

Of course they are legal for medical purposes but you know what i mean, if athletes are willing to risk their long term health to achieve their goals then so be it I say.... Edited September 28, 2016 by DogFox123

[The one 8,585]

I reckon its a lot harder now to stay clean the list of banned substances get bigger every year and taking a prescribed medicine for a cold landed one a ban last year that tough after they have been training for four years to compete

[gnasher16 31,416]

 

 

 

 

 

Is any athlete clean ?...........no

 

Is any athlete who is not clean a cheat ?........no

 

For better or worse sport has changed lads just accept it.

So don't you think it's time we should change our views on PED's and get our heads out of the sand?

 

I feel sorry for the very few that will actually be clean...

Change our views in what way ?.....my heads not stuck in the sand i accept and embrace progress in sport.....that doesnt make cheating acceptable its knowing the difference where folk need to educate themselves.

 

When you say you feel sorry for the few who are clean..... like the ones who are still using wooden tennis raquets/ankle high football boots you mean......performance enhancement has been around for ever mate its only when the word " drug " is thrown into things it causes a stir.

I mean we should accept PED's as part and parcel of sports instead of stigmatizing them, legalising them would be a good start IMO.

 

I'm specifically talking about drugs.

Yes but you say legalise them but they are already legal people just dont understrand how.

Of course they are legal for medical purposes but you know what i mean, if athletes are willing to risk their long term health to achieve their goals then so be it I say....

 

Im not talking about a tue im saying people dont understand the difference in levels between a performance athlete and a normal joe in terms of what a drug agency allows......if the accepted level for an athlete is 6 times what it is for a normal joe then no the athlete is not clean.......but unless he tests 7 times what is normal then he hasnt cheated........thats a very simplified example but there has to be limits and its clear what they are theres still no excuse for cheating.

Edited September 28, 2016 by gnasher16

[neems 2,406]

Given the amount of bloated,clueless teenagers I see at the gym I'd rather steroids were cracked down on in sports and everywhere else.

 

Sports are supposed to inspire people to be fitter and healthier,bodybuilding especially has the opposite effect on young lads.

[gnasher16 31,416]

The minute you start to look at bodybuilding as a sport you will run into problems

[neems 2,406]

 

Given the amount of bloated,clueless teenagers I see at the gym I'd rather steroids were cracked down on in sports and everywhere else.

 

Sports are supposed to inspire people to be fitter and healthier,bodybuilding especially has the opposite effect on young lads.

Different steroids do different things. The bloated lads in the gym are hardly body builders just spice boys

 

 

I didn't say they were,but they look up to bodybuilders.

Rather than inspiring people to be fitter and healthier it's doing the opposite,encouraging people to take drugs that even if taken 'properly' , can be very harmful.

 

They're bad for lower level sport too,sport should be about finding the best athlete not the one who doesn't mind taking and can afford a temporary and artificial boost.

[gnasher16 31,416]

 

 

They're bad for lower level sport too,sport should be about finding the best athlete not the one who doesn't mind taking and can afford a temporary and artificial boost.

 

Not to jump into you boys debate........but they said exactly the same when the graphite tennis racket came out

 

Time stands still for nobody not even sportsmen.

Edited September 28, 2016 by gnasher16

[neems 2,406]

 

 

 

They're bad for lower level sport too,sport should be about finding the best athlete not the one who doesn't mind taking and can afford a temporary and artificial boost.

 

Not to jump into you boys debate........but they said exactly the same when the graphite tennis racket came out

 

Time stands still for nobody not even sportsmen.

 

 

Well if 2 players don't use the same kit in competition it does skew the field,doesn't it?

If not I'll fight Buakaw for travel expenses...just let me bring my own gloves

 

It doesn't sit well with me that one competitor has an advantage the other doesn't have access to,that's not what sports should be about.

At top level sport it's a bit different,but still a bad thing that they take these things and I hope testing improves to the point they can be wiped out eventually.

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

 

 

 

They're bad for lower level sport too,sport should be about finding the best athlete not the one who doesn't mind taking and can afford a temporary and artificial boost.

 

Not to jump into you boys debate........but they said exactly the same when the graphite tennis racket came out

 

Time stands still for nobody not even sportsmen.

Well if 2 players don't use the same kit in competition it does skew the field,doesn't it?

If not I'll fight Buakaw for travel expenses...just let me bring my own gloves

 

It doesn't sit well with me that one competitor has an advantage the other doesn't have access to,that's not what sports should be about.

At top level sport it's a bit different,but still a bad thing that they take these things and I hope testing improves to the point they can be wiped out eventually.

But they you could say one athlete has an advantage over the other because he has a better nutritionist, how far do we take it? Nobody is truly on a level playing field.

[gnasher16 31,416]

 

 

 

 

 

They're bad for lower level sport too,sport should be about finding the best athlete not the one who doesn't mind taking and can afford a temporary and artificial boost.

 

Not to jump into you boys debate........but they said exactly the same when the graphite tennis racket came out

 

Time stands still for nobody not even sportsmen.

Well if 2 players don't use the same kit in competition it does skew the field,doesn't it?

If not I'll fight Buakaw for travel expenses...just let me bring my own gloves

 

It doesn't sit well with me that one competitor has an advantage the other doesn't have access to,that's not what sports should be about.

At top level sport it's a bit different,but still a bad thing that they take these things and I hope testing improves to the point they can be wiped out eventually.

But they you could say one athlete has an advantage over the other because he has a better nutritionist, how far do we take it? Nobody is truly on a level playing field.

 

Dogfox is right if you want to ply your trade at the highest level you need the best available tools that applies to anything not just sport......testing may well improve but it wont stop as its a constant battle between labs and testers.... to " wipe it out " would be like saying the only way to syop runners cheating is to cut their legs off beyond the synthetic steroids most of these things occur naturally in the body.....hence why there are levels.

[neems 2,406]

 

 

 

 

 

 

They're bad for lower level sport too,sport should be about finding the best athlete not the one who doesn't mind taking and can afford a temporary and artificial boost.

 

Not to jump into you boys debate........but they said exactly the same when the graphite tennis racket came out

 

Time stands still for nobody not even sportsmen.

Well if 2 players don't use the same kit in competition it does skew the field,doesn't it?

If not I'll fight Buakaw for travel expenses...just let me bring my own gloves

 

It doesn't sit well with me that one competitor has an advantage the other doesn't have access to,that's not what sports should be about.

At top level sport it's a bit different,but still a bad thing that they take these things and I hope testing improves to the point they can be wiped out eventually.

But they you could say one athlete has an advantage over the other because he has a better nutritionist, how far do we take it? Nobody is truly on a level playing field.

 

Dogfox is right if you want to ply your trade at the highest level you need the best available tools that applies to anything not just sport......testing may well improve but it wont stop as its a constant battle between labs and testers.... to " wipe it out " would be like saying the only way to syop runners cheating is to cut their legs off beyond the synthetic steroids most of these things occur naturally in the body.....hence why there are levels.

 

 

The closer the playing field the better,as far as sports are concerned.

 

 

Sports should serve 2 purposes imo,1) to pick the best athletes (not the best pharmacists) 2) to encourage everyone else to get involved in sports for their health,fitness and to breed a bit of competitiveness and sportsmanship into kids,steroids are very bad for the health and fitness of a lot of people who take them.

So imo they're a huge detriment.

 

I don't know how much difference a good nutritionist makes compared to just basic knowledge,at the top end a I know a little increase in performance means a lot,but for everyone else I do know steroids make a world of difference and skew the field too much.

[gnasher16 31,416]

You are basically right Neems and only a fool would say otherwise.....im simply pointing out that there are a lot of things in sport that enhance performance more than drugs but we accept them.......your not going to get a drug assisted 100 meter Olympic finalist competing against some bloke who had a fry up for his brekkie that morning the same as your not going to get Ronnie o Sullivan using his personally made perfectly weighted snooker cue against a bloke playing with a pub cue but the small advantages they might have at their own level are accepted unless you mention the word drug.

 

There will be literally thousands of sportsmen sitting at home right now living perfectly normal healthy lives having spent much of their sporting careers ped assisted......then you have sportsmen who suffer later in life through certain advantages gained in other areas which is just accepted......at the highest levels of sports their will always be a price to pay thats the discipline.

Edited September 28, 2016 by gnasher16