pablo esc 1,598 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Stupid topic. And one man I know went trials said a man could had a russel in the shore to show staff. So cowboy there too Quote Link to post
DogFox123 1,379 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Well the old Badger trials was a similar concept so highly likely, you're in the states so I'm assuming by Bullterrier you mean APBT or you talking about the real Bullterrier?The trials were never about drawing the game,it was about working the game for a time limit in complete silence with judges listening for the slightest whimper.You think that's an automatic sign of gameness? Even some game Bulldogs sing in bouts...Can anybody post the rules of the old Badger Trials? A test for a dog no doubt but dogs were getting worked harder in the field than in the trials.... How were they getting worked harder in the field than in the shore?Because six minutes is hardly the same as a real dig the trials were good but they were more a place to meet like minded people and get a certificate not a real test But strong dogs were not used at a real dig by terrier men(except by the cowboys). Who said anything about at a dig? Quote Link to post
liamdelaney 2,586 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Well the old Badger trials was a similar concept so highly likely, you're in the states so I'm assuming by Bullterrier you mean APBT or you talking about the real Bullterrier?The trials were never about drawing the game,it was about working the game for a time limit in complete silence with judges listening for the slightest whimper.You think that's an automatic sign of gameness? Even some game Bulldogs sing in bouts...Can anybody post the rules of the old Badger Trials? A test for a dog no doubt but dogs were getting worked harder in the field than in the trials.... How were they getting worked harder in the field than in the shore?Because six minutes is hardly the same as a real dig the trials were good but they were more a place to meet like minded people and get a certificate not a real test But strong dogs were not used at a real dig by terrier men(except by the cowboys). Who said anything about at a dig? That is not the question I asked you DF. Quote Link to post
DogFox123 1,379 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Well the old Badger trials was a similar concept so highly likely, you're in the states so I'm assuming by Bullterrier you mean APBT or you talking about the real Bullterrier?The trials were never about drawing the game,it was about working the game for a time limit in complete silence with judges listening for the slightest whimper.You think that's an automatic sign of gameness? Even some game Bulldogs sing in bouts...Can anybody post the rules of the old Badger Trials? A test for a dog no doubt but dogs were getting worked harder in the field than in the trials.... How were they getting worked harder in the field than in the shore?Because six minutes is hardly the same as a real dig the trials were good but they were more a place to meet like minded people and get a certificate not a real test But strong dogs were not used at a real dig by terrier men(except by the cowboys). Who said anything about at a dig? That is not the question I asked you DF. Not saying you did but there was stricter testing taking place outside of the trials on Gamedogs over here. Quote Link to post
liamdelaney 2,586 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Well the old Badger trials was a similar concept so highly likely, you're in the states so I'm assuming by Bullterrier you mean APBT or you talking about the real Bullterrier?The trials were never about drawing the game,it was about working the game for a time limit in complete silence with judges listening for the slightest whimper.You think that's an automatic sign of gameness? Even some game Bulldogs sing in bouts...Can anybody post the rules of the old Badger Trials? A test for a dog no doubt but dogs were getting worked harder in the field than in the trials.... How were they getting worked harder in the field than in the shore?Because six minutes is hardly the same as a real dig the trials were good but they were more a place to meet like minded people and get a certificate not a real test But strong dogs were not used at a real dig by terrier men(except by the cowboys). Who said anything about at a dig? That is not the question I asked you DF. Not saying you did but there was stricter testing taking place outside of the trials on Gamedogs over here. You said in the field I presumed you meant out in the field,if you meant in the pit,that was done over here two. Quote Link to post
DogFox123 1,379 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Well the old Badger trials was a similar concept so highly likely, you're in the states so I'm assuming by Bullterrier you mean APBT or you talking about the real Bullterrier?The trials were never about drawing the game,it was about working the game for a time limit in complete silence with judges listening for the slightest whimper.You think that's an automatic sign of gameness? Even some game Bulldogs sing in bouts... Can anybody post the rules of the old Badger Trials? A test for a dog no doubt but dogs were getting worked harder in the field than in the trials.... I never said it was a sign of gameness,just stating the way it was run.I have also seen strong dogs in the field that were very good at there work and would on occasion make a bit of noise,more through frustration than anything else. Yep frustration can make them sing in the box too, have you got the old trials rules anywhere? Quote Link to post
DogFox123 1,379 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Well the old Badger trials was a similar concept so highly likely, you're in the states so I'm assuming by Bullterrier you mean APBT or you talking about the real Bullterrier?The trials were never about drawing the game,it was about working the game for a time limit in complete silence with judges listening for the slightest whimper.You think that's an automatic sign of gameness? Even some game Bulldogs sing in bouts...Can anybody post the rules of the old Badger Trials? A test for a dog no doubt but dogs were getting worked harder in the field than in the trials.... How were they getting worked harder in the field than in the shore?Because six minutes is hardly the same as a real dig the trials were good but they were more a place to meet like minded people and get a certificate not a real test But strong dogs were not used at a real dig by terrier men(except by the cowboys).Who said anything about at a dig? That is not the question I asked you DF.Not saying you did but there was stricter testing taking place outside of the trials on Gamedogs over here. You said in the field I presumed you meant out in the field,if you meant in the pit,that was done over here two. I'm on about in the field. Quote Link to post
liamdelaney 2,586 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) DF I dont understand your statement they were tested harder in the field.Im not having a go at you Im just curious as to how field work could be more of a test than the shore? Edited August 25, 2016 by liamdelaney Quote Link to post
DogFox123 1,379 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 DF I dont understand your statement they were tested harder in the field.Im not having a go at you Im just curious. I'm talking about Pitdogs, plenty used them on quarry in the field as well as in the box back in the day. Quote Link to post
liamdelaney 2,586 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 DF I dont understand your statement they were tested harder in the field.Im not having a go at you Im just curious. I'm talking about Pitdogs, plenty used them on quarry in the field as well as in the box back in the day. I understand now.This practice was scorned on by trial men and pit men,using a strong dog at the end of a dig proved nothing about the dog most curs will draw in the daylight(sheep dogs,German Shepard's,Springers,Kerry Blues)to name just a few.The other practice letting them mix it on the sod,most just did not like it or do it,it proved nothing either,again most curs will engage in this practice if let. 3 Quote Link to post
kyboy44 11 Posted August 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 I could see how something like that could be different than in the field but I am trying to find out if anyone of you all have ever seen anything like the x the guy told me about that could be counted on to draw game as big as a bobcat or coyote on it owne Quote Link to post
Dead Eyes 680 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 I sincerely doubt it Quote Link to post
Craic 203 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 If the dog was German hunting terrier or jagd same thing , crossed with a pit, staff ect I'd find it hard to believe the off spring was only 20 lbs as a jagd is about 20 lbs or more in most cases therefore the off spring of that cross would be heavier unless it was well diluted Quote Link to post
neil cooney 10,415 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 DF I dont understand your statement they were tested harder in the field.Im not having a go at you Im just curious. I'm talking about Pitdogs, plenty used them on quarry in the field as well as in the box back in the day. I understand now.This practice was scorned on by trial men and pit men,using a strong dog at the end of a dig proved nothing about the dog most curs will draw in the daylight(sheep dogs,German Shepard's,Springers,Kerry Blues)to name just a few.The other practice letting them mix it on the sod,most just did not like it or do it,it proved nothing either,again most curs will engage in this practice if let. Quote Link to post
DogFox123 1,379 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) DF I dont understand your statement they were tested harder in the field.Im not having a go at you Im just curious.I'm talking about Pitdogs, plenty used them on quarry in the field as well as in the box back in the day. I understand now.This practice was scorned on by trial men and pit men,using a strong dog at the end of a dig proved nothing about the dog most curs will draw in the daylight(sheep dogs,German Shepard's,Springers,Kerry Blues)to name just a few.The other practice letting them mix it on the sod,most just did not like it or do it,it proved nothing either,again most curs will engage in this practice if let.We have our wires crossed, I'm not talking about at the end of a dig either. Better not be said tbh. At the end of the day the hardest test of all was against another dog. Edited August 25, 2016 by DogFox123 Quote Link to post
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