Hatfield Colliery Closure

[hily 380]

 

 

 

We don't need yet, and once these places shut and the experienced work force is gone, you are left with open casting, I agree at this moment in time we have alternatives, but that could change in a heartbeat, the world is up in arms and countries are ready, to go mad with each other , coal got us through 2 wars, without it we wouldn't have had the freedom we have enjoyed,

 

There was a time certainly, when coal and our ability to produce our own was important. But is it still? Being such a small industry in this country anyway, could the miners cope with a massive demand if ever needed? If not, there's no justification for keeping that skillset alive surely?

 

I'd have to question as well if coal ever could be relied upon again. Do we have the infrastructure in terms of power stations to make it viable? Or is it shifting to gas?

 

With the advancements in renewables and particularly battery tech over the past decade, the future is not in coal imo. Can we really perceive any scenario where it would be?

 

IMO the future will/should be in renewables (which will become more viable with improved tech), nuclear and shale gas.

 

AAh viable= profitable/ renewables with tax payers money nowt to do with saving the planet.

 

 

Viable means viable.

 

As in, the associated technology is developing fast enough to make it possible and beneficial to replace the current energy infrastructure.

 

And before someone tells me I'm biased in some way, my career prospects would certainly be improved if the coal industry was booming. But I try to keep bias and emotion out of sensible decision making.

 

viable= with profit and stand alone... without support from tax payer or the taxpayers contribution going into the profit margine.Can't see the difference in the tax payer supporting a mine only that it would directly help more workers than shareholders.

[Born Hunter 17,960]

 

viable= with profit and stand alone... without support from tax payer or the taxpayers contribution going into the profit margine.Can't see the difference in the tax payer supporting a mine only that it would directly help more workers than shareholders.

 

 

Viable in this context means standalone yes. With the rate of tech advancements we are seeing in the 21stC renewables will come into their own and be far more viable than they are seen as today. That won't come without investment though.

 

If you want a technology to develop then it has to be subsidised (either privately or publicly) until the industry hits a critical mass. As far as I can see that's what has been happening with renewables, it won't go on. The tech will catch up with the market.

 

Coal has had it's day, I'm sure improvements could still be made but not to the same degree or to with the same benefits as other energy sources. It's a case of investing where it's sensible. Is subsidising a dying industry more sensible than stimulating growth in a potentially great future one? Is stimulating an industry to invest in R&D in coal power more sensible than renewables, nuclear or unconventional hydrocarbons resources like shale?

 

This is nothing more than opinion, that's mine.

Edited July 1, 2015 by Born Hunter

[WILF 51,095]

The bottom line is, blokes over here wouldn't endure the conditions they do in the likes of China, Russia, Brazil......bet your bollocks their ain't too much health and safety going on in them places and the wages will be shite......which means they can do it cheaper than us.

Sure it's the same for almost every industry.

 

Complain if you get no safety or decent wages and complain that we can't compete.......so what is it we want?

 

Traditions aside....isn't the reality a good thing that British blokes won't have to work down deep coal mines any more ?.........just like it's a good thing that British 7 year olds do t have to work in sweatshops making t-shirts for Primark.

 

It's yesterday's news as an industry in this country, respect to the blokes who did this hard, dangerous work for years but it's time to move on.

[hily 380]

AS we have strayed into the future past guv have always wanted nuclear power but they new they would never get joe public on board. I still think this is what guv is after they say its a must as an option for our future. IS it safe and how long do the future generations have to deal with the waste. if it goes t~ts up we will have no future .Only my synical mind at work .and I know I live in the past

[WILF 51,095]

I personally think it's madness to put nuclear on such a small island as the UK, if something gos boss eyed we will be in deep shit.

 

We need to consume less, have less imported people so that the population is at a sensible level and invest in the safe options of power that we have.

 

We are raping this planet in the name of profit (have a look at what the oil sand production areas are doing to the wilderness of Canada ) and we are pretending that very small countries can maintain huge populations and killing the planet to do it.

Edited July 1, 2015 by WILF

[Chid 6,830]

Wilf what you don't understand is some Folk actually prefere the mines and everything that goes with it

Especially the camaraderie and community

Paddy' Tomos mate who passed away the other week actually left for a while

But went back

As has been said

Stop importing and start producing our own

Ours is a good quality coal

It not only employs the Colliers but the knock on effect employee many more folk.

Obviously some banks were not viable

But by fook because it was in the interests of the elite they were bailed out by the working man

But at the same time it's fook the working man.

Even if it costs a tad more British company's and British jobs first

A jap firm was given the contract for these H2 singing and dancing trains for the Northern Powerhouse lol

Ffs a English company from Derby should of been given the contract

It ain't rocket science

do you burn british coal?

[The Seeker 3,048]

They would be better using that 14 million to train the 400 blokes in a new career IMO

 

Also 30 years on does this mean Thatcher was right all along and the coal industry was unsustainable?

 

I agree about the windmills though they look absolutely disgusting, most of the time they are not even turning, complete waste of money

[tatsblisters 11,060]

Its gone forever and it aint comeing back and tbh i wouldent have liked to work down the pit if it had been in private hands so dont see the point in spending money for a private enterprise anyway.

[WILF 51,095]

Wilf I was telling you that 2-3 yrs ago

A 2 child policy should be put in place asap

We maintained a healthy, sustainable british population for years when people used to have much larger families mate......importing millions of cheap votes from foreign lands is what's doing the damage IMHO