WILF 51,220 Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Was in Harrods last year (or maybe the year before?) anyway, they had a few toy breeds for sale at upto £2 k a go !!! France is worse, you should see the price things go for in pet shops in Paris !!.......a ferret was €350 !!!! Yes, that right €350 !! And French bulldogs were €1400 !! Mental !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bosun11 537 Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Was in Harrods last year (or maybe the year before?) anyway, they had a few toy breeds for sale at upto £2 k a go !!! France is worse, you should see the price things go for in pet shops in Paris !!.......a ferret was €350 !!!! Yes, that right €350 !! And French bulldogs were €1400 !! Mental !! French bulldogs are soooo last season! Jokes aside, they sort of are, last year blue Frenchies were the biggest thing on the market, i know of people paying thousands for bitches. Now them first few were grands but when they grow and produce, which they are now, though the price drops, the mass market begins. I'm seeing young Frenchies all over this city now. First season bitches being puppy machines... Horrible but the fuckwits dont give a toss, theres coin in dem der dawgs! And as for Paris and France, with them prices no wonder the likes of Booth went over... Though he's missing a trick with the ferrets..!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 51,220 Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Wouldn't be mine or your cup of tea mate, but at them numbers you could see how most would be tempted with a few grand tax free !!.......and there's plenty willing to buy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dare 1,103 Posted May 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Its just gotta come down to morals aint it? Morally they feel they are doing no wrong. Either that or their morals can be brought. Have seen adverts online where i just think ffs how can they get away with that. Dogs for stud without any health tests at only 10 months "rare colours". These same people would probably call people who work their dogs sick b*****ds. As long as people are buying em the c**ts will be breeding em. Not sure what the solution is but imo the c**ts at the kennel club could pull their finger out and do alot more. I used to get into arguments calling people out on other forums but cant be arsed as ive got older. Your as good as the company you keep n ive no time for people who peddle pups for money. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,569 Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 The good lady BB has a Chihuahua X, which I believe is called 'super-tiny', and she feels very strongly about irresponsible breeding. Pretty much every time we're out with the dogs, she gets asked if she wants to breed from her. I've watched her get more and more fed up of this until the day before yesterday, she tore a proper strip off some woman, really let her have it ! In the street ! I stood back and let her get on with it - I've crossed my missus before ! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dare 1,103 Posted May 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 I got a french bulldog that was sold soon as she had a litter. Part of the family now n going no where. Luckily shes not actually a struggling to breathe type. Got her in decent shape aswell lol either get told she looks skinny or asked if i give her steroids. Have been told plenty of times oh you should breed her, most commonly by middle age/old women. I can tell these are the sorts who treat their dogs like kids n tell you they love em. Dunno what they must think of me, walking the dog i dress like a tramp but always tell em i dont need money that bad that id pimp my dog. They just smile back or change the subject back to saying how lovely the dog is. Anyone have an idea on what can be done? imo the kennel club could do more. Im not anti breeding although 90% of dogs i think shit n not proven themselves. I know blokes convicted for working dogs who have more morals and love for the dog than any tree hugger type. Suppose its abit like the left wing student lot who think they know best n ruin things. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Never seen it, really didnt want to watch. Thing is though, they can show what they like, dogs are high fashion and big business and nothing will stop that wheel turning. I'd just like to think that lurcher folk have a long hard think before taking the plunge to breed. It may only be the one litter but it's just adding to the problem. Ask yourself, if I breed, am I really gonna get improved stock, are they the best I can get my hands on, or could I buy in better? I can see both sides. On the other side of the coin what's wrong with a man breeding from his time served worker just because he wants to? Does it matter that she isn't the best working dog in the world? Who's business is it but his own? When he will rear them to the best of his ability and find them suitable homes when the time comes. What's wrong with that? Hardly "adding to the problem" is he? When these dog factories are churning out hundreds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 I got a french bulldog that was sold soon as she had a litter. Part of the family now n going no where. Luckily shes not actually a struggling to breathe type. Got her in decent shape aswell lol either get told she looks skinny or asked if i give her steroids. Have been told plenty of times oh you should breed her, most commonly by middle age/old women. I can tell these are the sorts who treat their dogs like kids n tell you they love em. Dunno what they must think of me, walking the dog i dress like a tramp but always tell em i dont need money that bad that id pimp my dog. They just smile back or change the subject back to saying how lovely the dog is. Anyone have an idea on what can be done? imo the kennel club could do more. Im not anti breeding although 90% of dogs i think shit n not proven themselves. I know blokes convicted for working dogs who have more morals and love for the dog than any tree hugger type. Suppose its abit like the left wing student lot who think they know best n ruin things. the best thing that could be done imo is people mind their own business. id idiots will buy puppy farmed dogs people will breed them,we don't need anymore laws regarding dogs,it's gonna be impossible to own one in 20 years if this keeps on. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 6,174 Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Never seen it, really didnt want to watch. Thing is though, they can show what they like, dogs are high fashion and big business and nothing will stop that wheel turning. I'd just like to think that lurcher folk have a long hard think before taking the plunge to breed. It may only be the one litter but it's just adding to the problem. Ask yourself, if I breed, am I really gonna get improved stock, are they the best I can get my hands on, or could I buy in better? I can see both sides. On the other side of the coin what's wrong with a man breeding from his time served worker just because he wants to? Does it matter that she isn't the best working dog in the world? Who's business is it but his own? When he will rear them to the best of his ability and find them suitable homes when the time comes. What's wrong with that? Hardly "adding to the problem" is he? When these dog factories are churning out hundreds. The problem is that the dog market is saturated, working dogs as well as show/pet dogs. I kept my little line going for over 25 years, but it became harder and harder to find decent permanent homes for pups as time went on. If I ever bred again I would do what everyone breeding for themselves should do, and that is cull hard at birth, rearing only the pups that are spoken for, and pray like hell you pick the right ones. Even then, it doesn't matter how good a dog or a bitch, and how many people say they will have one if you breed from a bitch; it doesn't matter how genuine or not these people are, the fact remains that even subjecting potential owners to a type of Spanish inquisition before they buy, things still go wrong, lives change, circumstances change and dogs get sold/dumped/passed on ... and more nowadays than ever before and there are even more dogs in the world than ever before. There is no easy answer. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,569 Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Never seen it, really didnt want to watch. Thing is though, they can show what they like, dogs are high fashion and big business and nothing will stop that wheel turning. I'd just like to think that lurcher folk have a long hard think before taking the plunge to breed. It may only be the one litter but it's just adding to the problem. Ask yourself, if I breed, am I really gonna get improved stock, are they the best I can get my hands on, or could I buy in better? I can see both sides. On the other side of the coin what's wrong with a man breeding from his time served worker just because he wants to? Does it matter that she isn't the best working dog in the world? Who's business is it but his own? When he will rear them to the best of his ability and find them suitable homes when the time comes. What's wrong with that? Hardly "adding to the problem" is he? When these dog factories are churning out hundreds. "The problem" is that even though demand is very high, it's far outstripped by supply. Our old muckers at ArsePCA put down almost 1,000 dogs every week ! I've been involved in dog rescue and rehoming, and you see the usual excuses for getting shot of a dog - "Landlord says its got to go", " Relationship has just broke up" etc - most of them untrue. No-one, in my experience any way, ever tells the truth - "it was cute when it was a tiny pup, but now its not so cute, and we can't be ar5ed to walk it any more. As a result of our ignorance and apathy, the dog has chewed up the furniture,so rather than accept any responsibility, we're getting rid of the poor creature." Ther e are genuine cases, but I know bull5hit when I smell it....... Case in point - some years ago, we fostered an 18 month-old Neapolitan Mastiff. This magnificent dog (worth the best part of £1,000) had been given up because the idiot owner had bought him on impulse, and "didn't realise it would get so big.". Beggars belief !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 51,220 Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 (edited) When it comes to Lurchers there no point in breeding for money, they don't come to a rub of soap sold !!......if you had a big litter you may get a measly 800 sovs out of it !!........there's no reason to breed if it's for money at all !! The only big value in a lurcher is to it's owner out in the field by and large. Edited May 22, 2015 by WILF 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 Never seen it, really didnt want to watch. Thing is though, they can show what they like, dogs are high fashion and big business and nothing will stop that wheel turning. I'd just like to think that lurcher folk have a long hard think before taking the plunge to breed. It may only be the one litter but it's just adding to the problem. Ask yourself, if I breed, am I really gonna get improved stock, are they the best I can get my hands on, or could I buy in better? I can see both sides. On the other side of the coin what's wrong with a man breeding from his time served worker just because he wants to? Does it matter that she isn't the best working dog in the world? Who's business is it but his own? When he will rear them to the best of his ability and find them suitable homes when the time comes. What's wrong with that? Hardly "adding to the problem" is he? When these dog factories are churning out hundreds. The problem is that the dog market is saturated, working dogs as well as show/pet dogs. I kept my little line going for over 25 years, but it became harder and harder to find decent permanent homes for pups as time went on. If I ever bred again I would do what everyone breeding for themselves should do, and that is cull hard at birth, rearing only the pups that are spoken for, and pray like hell you pick the right ones. Even then, it doesn't matter how good a dog or a bitch, and how many people say they will have one if you breed from a bitch; it doesn't matter how genuine or not these people are, the fact remains that even subjecting potential owners to a type of Spanish inquisition before they buy, things still go wrong, lives change, circumstances change and dogs get sold/dumped/passed on ... and more nowadays than ever before and there are even more dogs in the world than ever before. There is no easy answer. hows this for an easy answer; ban all rescue centres,destroy all strays or if chipped return them to their owner at a huge cost. noone will buy a dog on impulse twice if they have to have it pts themself,then we get a lot less puppy farms. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,569 Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 Neems, the trouble is that there is no easy answer. If you close all rescue centres, the streets will be awash with strays (given that dog warden services are pi55 poor !), and destroying all non-chipped strays just plays into the hands of the tattooed f#ckwits who aren't going to bother when it becomes compulsory next year, and won't comply with any other kind of regulations that might be introduced in the future. In my view this has been caused by the fact that dogs have become commodities, like everything else in the so-called civilised societies, to be bought and sold purely for profit, not to do a job or to better or preserve a breed. So we see a rise in 'designer breeds', which can sell for as much as a good pedigree dog these days. If you can create a fashion, you need a fashion accessory to go with it - bring on the Cockapoo, Yorkiepoo and all the rest of them. Unscrupulous breeders spot an opportunity and so it goes on. The profusion of bull breeds in rescue is, I think down to a similar thing. The tattooed f#ckwits spot a chance to make a few quid, breed from their bitch with something that might be a Stafford, and sell the pups to people who have no idea how pull their trousers up properly,let alone meet the needs of a living, intelligent animal. Sorry if I sound like one of those 'rescue bullies' (as my wife likes to call them), but ir find it genuinely saddening that thousands of dogs pay the price for human thoughtlessness, ignorance and apathy. (Aaaaaaand relax...........) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 either police or wardens could do it,literally pick up every stray scan and either destroy or deliver it home with a nice big fine. it would kill 2 birds with 1 stone imo,takes away a lot of animal rights groups funding and stops the vast majority from buying dogs they cant look after (they might buy 1 but when they have to put it down they wont buy another) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,569 Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 either police or wardens could do it,literally pick up every stray scan and either destroy or deliver it home with a nice big fine. it would kill 2 birds with 1 stone imo,takes away a lot of animal rights groups funding and stops the vast majority from buying dogs they cant look after (they might buy 1 but when they have to put it down they wont buy another)[/quote Trust me,mate - the f#ckwits will just go out and get another one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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