Mayweather V Pacquiao Is On !!!!

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Pacmans a great fighter an a born again christian, hope he beats money mayweather, here a we link about him if anyone interested

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hwpvh4i9puql9mt/guardian.txt?dl=0

[gnasher16 31,282]

 

They weren't fights because Tyson took them apart that's why...

 

You say he struggled against Green, Smith and Tucker yet he won every single round plus none of those fought at all like Holmes. Holmes had balls and that would be his downfall, he wouldn't fight to survive by clinching all night long. So tell me then how did the average Shavers and Snipes get by that jab and put him on his ass? They couldn't carry Tyson's jockstrap.

 

Thomas didnt throw a punch in 6 rounds theres no excuse or reason for that in a boxing match.....Williams wasnt allowed to continue after a flash knockdown.......you keep saying Shavers was an average fighter personally id say any man who is universally recognised as the hardest puncher in history has to go down as slightly above average......and to be honest ive not seen the scorecards but the reality is he was extended by very average fighters !.....It doesnt take an expert to see the type of opponents Tyson struggled with i fail to see any reason to think the best Tyson could of beat the best Holmes

[gnasher16 31,282]

My predictions,

Mayweather vs Pacman (Mayweather on points.

Mayweather vs Khan (Khan on points)

Khan vs Pacman (khan by ko)

Khan vs Brook (Brook by ko)

Brook vs Pacman (Brook by ko)

 

JMO.

Wow !......That made interesting reading.....cant say as i agree entirely but i can see your way of thinking.

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

They weren't fights because Tyson took them apart that's why...

 

You say he struggled against Green, Smith and Tucker yet he won every single round plus none of those fought at all like Holmes. Holmes had balls and that would be his downfall, he wouldn't fight to survive by clinching all night long. So tell me then how did the average Shavers and Snipes get by that jab and put him on his ass? They couldn't carry Tyson's jockstrap.

 

Thomas didnt throw a punch in 6 rounds theres no excuse or reason for that in a boxing match.....Williams wasnt allowed to continue after a flash knockdown.......you keep saying Shavers was an average fighter personally id say any man who is universally recognised as the hardest puncher in history has to go down as slightly above average......and to be honest ive not seen the scorecards but the reality is he was extended by very average fighters !.....It doesnt take an expert to see the type of opponents Tyson struggled with i fail to see any reason to think the best Tyson could of beat the best Holmes

I think you need to go watch the Thomas fight again if you don't think he threw a punch. It was more than a flash knockdown against Williams, the referee asked him some simple questions but he was unresponsive and was staring straight through him, you really believe Tyson wouldn't have put him to sleep if the ref had let it carry on? Yeah I'm saying Shavers was an average contender, apart from Ellis and a washed up Norton who did he knockout?? Every big fight he had he got beat. Winning nigh on every round against the fighters that went the distance is hardly struggling, the only fighter to give him trouble was James Tillis and Tyson was a novice. Like I said Holmes was always vulnerable for a right hand and Tyson was no Shavers at finishing a fighter, stylistically Holmes was made for Tyson even though he Larry ranks higher on the all time great list. Edited March 2, 2015 by DogFox123

[gnasher16 31,282]

stylistically Holmes was made for Tyson even though he Larry ranks higher on the all time great list.

 

Now your just being silly......Holmes had probably the best jab in the divisions history and Tyson never could get past a decent jab.....and had no plan b to do so.

 

If you can tell me what round Thomas threw 1 ( yes just one ) effective punch i,ll go back and watch it.....but as with many of those other journeyman champions they were merely surviving not competing.

 

As for Shavers.....if Ali says he was the hardest puncher in history thats good enough for me to class him as a better than average fighter......i can never see what folk like yourself base your theories on regards Tysons greatness the 2 or 3 years peek a boo style he had with Rooney he would of been a top fighter in any generation......but thats it !......i honestly cant see what else there is to clutch on to as an argument for getting anywhere near the level he would of needed to be at to beat the all time great fighters of his division.

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

stylistically Holmes was made for Tyson even though he Larry ranks higher on the all time great list.

 

Now your just being silly......Holmes had probably the best jab in the divisions history and Tyson never could get past a decent jab.....and had no plan b to do so.

 

If you can tell me what round Thomas threw 1 ( yes just one ) effective punch i,ll go back and watch it.....but as with many of those other journeyman champions they were merely surviving not competing.

 

As for Shavers.....if Ali says he was the hardest puncher in history thats good enough for me to class him as a better than average fighter......i can never see what folk like yourself base your theories on regards Tysons greatness the 2 or 3 years peek a boo style he had with Rooney he would of been a top fighter in any generation......but thats it !......i honestly cant see what else there is to clutch on to as an argument for getting anywhere near the level he would of needed to be at to beat the all time great fighters of his division.

No you're being silly, it wasn't the jab that bothered Tyson. If that's the case then why didn't Thomas, Biggs, Williams, Tucker, Bruno, the list goes on trouble him? Well I think that's to do with what Tyson brought to the table, fighters were scared to open up because committing would leave them vulnerable to a swift Tyson counter. Since when has being labelled a big puncher made you a world class fighter? Fact is Shavers never beat let alone knocked out any good fighters, you still don't get the idea that Holmes was vulnerable to a right hand no matter how great he was, Tyson wouldn't let him off the hook once hurt unlike Shavers and Snipes.

[DogFox123 1,379]

Holmes was dropped heavily by Snipes and Shavers, mark my words Tyson would have always beat him. Take a look at how piss poor Shavers is at trying to put him away, Tyson was a finisher of a different level...

 

 

Edited March 2, 2015 by DogFox123

[gnasher16 31,282]

 

No you're being silly, it wasn't the jab that bothered Tyson. If that's the case then why didn't Thomas, Biggs, Williams, Tucker, Bruno, the list goes on trouble him?

 

Because as you rightly say they didnt throw it !!!......Ive been on the recieving end of many a Frank Bruno jab and i tell you this for nothing its no fun !!....But same as the others he barely threw it and certainly with no conviction.....and yes for the reasons you state.........but similarly to what you say about " since when has being labelled a hard puncher made you a world class fighter".....well since when has being " scarey " made you a world class fighter ?

 

What happened when Tyson started fighting people who were not scared of him ?.....oh wait i guess its time to bring the excuses out now is it

 

Tyson fought his first 10 world title fights without 1 single opponent ever getting on the front foot and putting it on him...( Frank maybe did for all of 5 seconds ).....the first fighter to back him up and put it on him was Douglas and look what happened.

 

As for your argument about Holmes i ask you again.....what possible reason is there to think he could get round the best jab in heavyweight history ?

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

No you're being silly, it wasn't the jab that bothered Tyson. If that's the case then why didn't Thomas, Biggs, Williams, Tucker, Bruno, the list goes on trouble him?

 

Because as you rightly say they didnt throw it !!!......Ive been on the recieving end of many a Frank Bruno jab and i tell you this for nothing its no fun !!....But same as the others he barely threw it and certainly with no conviction.....and yes for the reasons you state.........but similarly to what you say about " since when has being labelled a hard puncher made you a world class fighter".....well since when has being " scarey " made you a world class fighter ?

 

What happened when Tyson started fighting people who were not scared of him ?.....oh wait i guess its time to bring the excuses out now is it

 

Tyson fought his first 10 world title fights without 1 single opponent ever getting on the front foot and putting it on him...( Frank maybe did for all of 5 seconds ).....the first fighter to back him up and put it on him was Douglas and look what happened.

 

As for your argument about Holmes i ask you again.....what possible reason is there to think he could get round the best jab in heavyweight history ?

The reason Bruno didn't throw it is because Tyson was too quick for him and would counter him. Plenty of fighters fought back, it's just none of them had the ability of a Douglas or a Holyfield. Have you even seen the Ruddock fights? They were brutal bouts with both fighters taking monster shots, that pisses on the myth that Tyson folded when the going got tough. Well if Earnie Shavers and Renaldo Snipes could get past his jab and drop him like a sack of spuds then I have no doubts that the vastly superior Tyson could and would, plus he did actually do it in real life albeit against a past it Holmes. Edited March 2, 2015 by DogFox123

[gnasher16 31,282]

 

The reason Bruno didn't throw it is because Tyson was too quick for him and would counter him.

No......you was right the first time..... ive had many conversations with Frank over the years about those fights and he willingly admits he was intimidated by not only the man but the occasion itself......for want of a better expression he froze and simply never got his shots off.....A great quality Tyson had was the relaxed intensity he could get in a ring with ( natural fighting mentality )......Frank never had that natural fighting mentality and much as he had the intensity it was never relaxed and being so draining its partly why after 3 rounds he was mentally and physically spent.

 

Im not sure how you can talk about the brutal fights Tyson had with Donovan Ruddock and in the same breath say he would wipe the floor with an all time great like Larry Holmes but still.....and why do you keep on and on talking about Earnie Shavers near every post you speak of him ok we know he wasnt the greatest fighter in the world but neither was Buster Douglas !......Im still yet to hear you or any other Tyson fan come up with 1 world class fighter he ever beat.

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

The reason Bruno didn't throw it is because Tyson was too quick for him and would counter him.

No......you was right the first time..... ive had many conversations with Frank over the years about those fights and he willingly admits he was intimidated by not only the man but the occasion itself......for want of a better expression he froze and simply never got his shots off.....A great quality Tyson had was the relaxed intensity he could get in a ring with ( natural fighting mentality )......Frank never had that natural fighting mentality and much as he had the intensity it was never relaxed and being so draining its partly why after 3 rounds he was mentally and physically spent.

 

Im not sure how you can talk about the brutal fights Tyson had with Donovan Ruddock and in the same breath say he would wipe the floor with an all time great like Larry Holmes but still.....and why do you keep on and on talking about Earnie Shavers near every post you speak of him ok we know he wasnt the greatest fighter in the world but neither was Buster Douglas !......Im still yet to hear you or any other Tyson fan come up with 1 world class fighter he ever beat.

Well a fighters mentality is a massive part of his game so that's kudos to Tyson. I brought up Ruddock because you're going down the typical route by stating that Tyson folded when anyone fought him back, the Ruddock bouts show this to be untrue. I bring up Shavers and Snipes to show the vulnerability Holmes had for a right hand, Tyson would land and would hurt him. He was a much better finisher than both of those two and would close the show IMO. Tyson beat plenty of world class fighters in his prime, including ATG Michael Spinks. Tony Tucker was also a top class fighter and unbeaten when Tyson fought him.

[Taggy123 59]

I cant see where your coming from gnasher saying tysons opponents dare not throw a jab. Thats there problem at the end of the day. Tyson could only fight who was put in front of him. When he boxed holyfield he was continually headbutted by holyfied. When he put douglas over douglas had a 13 second count.

[gnasher16 31,282]

 

Well a fighters mentality is a massive part of his game so that's kudos to Tyson. I brought up Ruddock because you're going down the typical route by stating that Tyson folded when anyone fought him back, the Ruddock bouts show this to be untrue. I bring up Shavers and Snipes to show the vulnerability Holmes had for a right hand, Tyson would land and would hurt him. He was a much better finisher than both of those two and would close the show IMO. Tyson beat plenty of world class fighters in his prime, including ATG Michael Spinks. Tony Tucker was also a top class fighter and unbeaten when Tyson fought him.

 

Of course it is......but it has to work both ways and when Tyson was up against it he folded.....thats typical bully mentality,due to his iconic nature in some folks eyes they are willing to skim over that and give him excuses.........you keep talking about Holmes vulnerability to a right hand but you dont mention Tysons failure to be able to get round a good jab to land that right hand......and we,re not talking about an average jab.......if you are classing Michael Spinks and Tony Tucker as all time great heavyweights then thats stretching the imagination a little too far dont you think.

 

I cant see where your coming from gnasher saying tysons opponents dare not throw a jab. Thats there problem at the end of the day. Tyson could only fight who was put in front of him. When he boxed holyfield he was continually headbutted by holyfied. When he put douglas over douglas had a 13 second count.

And when he fought Lewis what his shoes were too tight ?.......I put a lot of the Tyson fascination down to the time he was around,for us in the Uk we was watching boxing for free on Itv,the previous 7 or 8 years in the division had been diabolical meaning impressionable youngsters made Tyson a hero figure it amazes me the amount of fellas in their 40,s i speak to who were teenagers in the Tyson era who wont hear a bad word said about him.......yet when you talk to slightly older folk they just cant see what the fascination about him is......at the end of the day the all time great lists we can all look at usually place a fighter like Ali top 2......Holmes top 5 and Tyson doesnt make the top 10 in many.......if that doesnt make folk wonder why they hold the man in such high esteem then i guess it must just be some sort of fixation......without wishing to sound impolite that is.

[Taggy123 59]

Lol! Im in my forties gnasher how did you guess? I must be in the fixated category.

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

Well a fighters mentality is a massive part of his game so that's kudos to Tyson. I brought up Ruddock because you're going down the typical route by stating that Tyson folded when anyone fought him back, the Ruddock bouts show this to be untrue. I bring up Shavers and Snipes to show the vulnerability Holmes had for a right hand, Tyson would land and would hurt him. He was a much better finisher than both of those two and would close the show IMO. Tyson beat plenty of world class fighters in his prime, including ATG Michael Spinks. Tony Tucker was also a top class fighter and unbeaten when Tyson fought him.

 

Of course it is......but it has to work both ways and when Tyson was up against it he folded.....thats typical bully mentality,due to his iconic nature in some folks eyes they are willing to skim over that and give him excuses.........you keep talking about Holmes vulnerability to a right hand but you dont mention Tysons failure to be able to get round a good jab to land that right hand......and we,re not talking about an average jab.......if you are classing Michael Spinks and Tony Tucker as all time great heavyweights then thats stretching the imagination a little too far dont you think.

I cant see where your coming from gnasher saying tysons opponents dare not throw a jab. Thats there problem at the end of the day. Tyson could only fight who was put in front of him. When he boxed holyfield he was continually headbutted by holyfied. When he put douglas over douglas had a 13 second count.

And when he fought Lewis what his shoes were too tight ?.......I put a lot of the Tyson fascination down to the time he was around,for us in the Uk we was watching boxing for free on Itv,the previous 7 or 8 years in the division had been diabolical meaning impressionable youngsters made Tyson a hero figure it amazes me the amount of fellas in their 40,s i speak to who were teenagers in the Tyson era who wont hear a bad word said about him.......yet when you talk to slightly older folk they just cant see what the fascination about him is......at the end of the day the all time great lists we can all look at usually place a fighter like Ali top 2......Holmes top 5 and Tyson doesnt make the top 10 in many.......if that doesnt make folk wonder why they hold the man in such high esteem then i guess it must just be some sort of fixation......without wishing to sound impolite that is.

Tyson got past plenty of top jabs, Thomas, Briggs, Williams, Bruno.... Need I say more?? And like I said, the Ruddock fights show that the myth of him folding was rubbish. Anyone can play that game.... Name me some all time great heavyweights that Lennox Lewis beat in their prime?? Or Joe Louis?? Or Larry Holmes infact??